Anabolic steroids with warfarin sodium

[manvs]

Hi all

I'm 36 years old and I am a patient taking warfarin sodium. Has anyone had experience with steroids and warfarin? I'm thinking about making my first cycle because I have years of training and I'm naturally high. But I have doubts about the interaction of warfarin and anabolic steroids.
I think using testosterone propionate since it stays in the body a short time. That way I have more control of the situation. With oral estanozozol.
Thank you very much to all

[RangerDanger830]

Why are you taking warfarin? Most people take it for thrombosis. I would strongly discourage you from taking AAS. Very strongly.

The abbreviated version is because AAS increase your hematocrit. This means you have more erythrocytes, red blood cells. This causes a thickening of the blood. Obviously this is the exact opposite of what you want being on an anti-coagulant.

If you're on warfarin because of a risk of blood clots then please just stay natural. I'm speaking with medical experience. I'm sure your doctor would agree. The complications you could experience range from stroke to heart attack and possibly death or loss of a limb from restricted blood flow.

[DSS]

Why are you taking warfarin? Most people take it for thrombosis. I would strongly discourage you from taking AAS. Very strongly. The abbreviated version is because AAS increase your hematocrit. This means you have more erythrocytes, red blood cells. This causes a thickening of the blood. Obviously this is the exact opposite of what you want being on an anti-coagulant. If you're on warfarin because of a risk of blood clots then please just stay natural. I'm speaking with medical experience. I'm sure your doctor would agree. The complications you could experience range from stroke to heart attack and possibly death or loss of a limb from restricted blood flow.

Sounds like greatest reason to stay away.

[manvs]

Ok, thanks DSS

[manvs]

6 years ago I had a pulmonary embolism. It happened at the age of 30 years. I think I'll take warfarin forever...
The prohibition applies to all steroids? Boldenone? Primobolan? Trembolone?

[manvs]

I have a question. What happens in the case of a patient taking warfarin have low testosterone levels and give doctors need more testosterone to solve the problem? How they solve that problem?

[manvs]

Why are you taking warfarin? Most people take it for thrombosis. I would strongly discourage you from taking AAS. Very strongly.

The abbreviated version is because AAS increase your hematocrit. This means you have more erythrocytes, red blood cells. This causes a thickening of the blood. Obviously this is the exact opposite of what you want being on an anti-coagulant.

If you're on warfarin because of a risk of blood clots then please just stay natural. I'm speaking with medical experience. I'm sure your doctor would agree. The complications you could experience range from stroke to heart attack and possibly death or loss of a limb from restricted blood flow.

I read somewhere that the AAS, in this case stanozolol and testosterone propionate potentiate warfarin. You commented that the AAS would lead to thickening of the blood. I'm confused...

[Mr.BB]

I read somewhere that the AAS, in this case stanozolol and testosterone propionate potentiate warfarin. You commented that the AAS would lead to thickening of the blood. I'm confused...

Dude, Ranger and Bona gave you the correct answers, if you are on warfarin and dont know what erythocytes or hematocrit are you really not very interested in your own health, are you?

Nothing good will come out of someone needing warfarin doing steroids. Get over it.

[manvs]

Dude, Ranger and Bona gave you the correct answers, if you are on warfarin and dont know what erythocytes or hematocrit are you really not very interested in your own health, are you?

Nothing good will come out of someone needing warfarin doing steroids. Get over it.

Perfect.
Then they should be careful when they read out there about the adverse effects of steroids. Because in this case they(steroids articles) say that steroids increase the effects of warfarin.
Thank you very much for the answer Mr. BB

[almostgone]

Perfect.
Then they should be careful when they read out there about the adverse effects of steroids. Because in this case they(steroids articles) say that steroids increase the effects of warfarin.
Thank you very much for the answer Mr. BB

I have Factor V Leiden and have done just a tad of reading/learning on the subject of AAS and warfarin/Coumadin.
Keep in mind I am on TRT, not cycling. With that being said, it looks like some studies indicate that oxandrolone actually increases the effects of warfarin. Not recommending an anavar cycle or anything like that, just sharing the info.

WHO Pharmaceuticals Newsletter 2004, No. 03: SAFETY OF MEDICINES: OXANDROLONE - Warning for interaction with warfarin

JAMA Network | JAMA Internal Medicine | Oxandrolone Steroid Use and Impaired Coagulation

[Bonaparte]

Testosterone also directly increases certain clotting factors. Other steroids probably do the same.

[bartman314]

to get more informed you could talk to a dr about trt and see what he says about trt and warfarin. I know aas is supernatural levels, but you would still get some relevant information talking to a doc about putting yourself high in the natural range.

[manvs]

Yes, I'll do it.

[manvs]

In other words you take warfarin?

[RangerDanger830]

There's a big difference between TRT and cycling. TRT is meant to be a replacement dose and a cycle is meant to be a supraphysiological dose. The lines sometimes get blurred. I would ask guys like Bona about other compounds. I can only speak for the usually such as Test and Tren. I don't branch out much as far as AAS go, they're plenty for me.

[manvs]

There's a big difference between TRT and cycling. TRT is meant to be a replacement dose and a cycle is meant to be a supraphysiological dose. The lines sometimes get blurred. I would ask guys like Bona about other compounds. I can only speak for the usually such as Test and Tren. I don't branch out much as far as AAS go, they're plenty for me.

What do you think about replacing warfarin with Dabigatran or Rivaroxaban?
Do you know something about using steroids with Dabigatran or Rivaroxaban?
I'm searching alternatives for my problem...

[RangerDanger830]

The problem isn't that you're taking warfarin, substituting it changes nothing. The problem is that you have to take warfarin. There's no anabolic cycle out there that I would suggest to you.

[Bonaparte]

Yeah man, if you had a PE at 30 for no apparent reason, I'd say you should just avoid ANYTHING that could affect blood clotting. It's really not worth turning blue and dropping dead over.

Do you have Factor V Leiden or something? Were you obese? A smoker?

[manvs]

Yeah man, if you had a PE at 30 for no apparent reason, I'd say you should just avoid ANYTHING that could affect blood clotting. It's really not worth turning blue and dropping dead over.

Do you have Factor V Leiden or something? Were you obese? A smoker?

The reason was that I inherited a clotting factor of my blood. And it came when I was 30 years old. I don't remember a factor clotting name.
Never smoke, no obese.
13 years of training naturally with creatine, protein (whey) and amino acids.

Age: 36
Height 6'1"
Weight: 86 kg
bf%: 19

[Bonaparte]

The reason was that I inherited a clotting factor of my blood. And it came when I was 30 years old. I don't remember a factor clotting name.
Never smoke, no obese.
13 years of training naturally with creatine, protein (whey) and amino acids.

Age: 36
Height 6'1"
Weight: 86 kg
bf%: 19

Is that 19% BF remotely accurate, or was it just from one of those digital scales? If those are your real stats, forget about AAS and learn to eat properly. And if you have a genetic disorder that could kill you, you should probably bother to at least remember what it's called, if you're not going to learn everything about it. It's probably Leiden V if you're of Scandinavian origin.

[manvs]

Is that 19% BF remotely accurate, or was it just from one of those digital scales? If those are your real stats, forget about AAS and learn to eat properly. And if you have a genetic disorder that could kill you, you should probably bother to at least remember what it's called, if you're not going to learn everything about it. It's probably Leiden V if you're of Scandinavian origin.

Very interesting what you say. No, it was just from one those of digital scales. Surely the BF% should be higher but do not think much.
I am from South America. Anyway I will see what is the factor...

[almostgone]

However, I wish there was a type of "sliding scale" that could be used to adjust Coumadin dosages when used with Oxandrin.
My cardiologist never could get me to a decent PT/INR even @ max Coumadin. That was when they sent me for genetic testing and discovered I had a single copy (heterozygous) of the defective gene. They wanted to put in a Greenfield filter to capture any clots.
After I had a go around with staph infection in my blood and had to have my pacemaker removed so the staph could be cleared from my body, I want no more implants of any type in my body. Actually, I may have made an atypically wise choice for a change. I see commercials on TV all of the time for lawyers looking for people who have had problems with vena cava filters becoming dislodged, etc.
I would not be at all adverse to trying Coumadin again if they would toss in a little more test to my TRT via Oxandrin.

[manvs]

My question is: If a patient is on warfarin need a dose of testosterone, for example sustanton or another, in this case as doctors resolve the situation?

[Mr.BB]

My question is: If a patient is on warfarin need a dose of testosterone, for example sustanton or another, in this case as doctors resolve the situation?

Why would someone need a single dose of testosterone? 98% cases if someone needs testosterone it will need it for life, its called testosterone replacement therapy (TRT).

And TRT dosage are on average 100mgs testosterone per week, which although still with potential to cause polycythemia it is a much slower rise in hematocrit than a normal 500mgs per week of a normal cycle.

So the doctor needs to weight the pros and cons and decide from there. I can tell you for sure that in risk patients testosterone will not be prescribed,
thrombosis and stroke risks will outweight the testosterone benefits.

[almostgone]

Now below is a letter to the FDA from the manufacturer and is posted on the WHO website.
It is written in very plain straightforward English. Where is the "broscience" in that?


WHO Pharmaceuticals Newsletter 2004, No. 03: SAFETY OF MEDICINES: OXANDROLONE - Warning for interaction with warfarin
OXANDROLONE - Warning for interaction with warfarin

USA. Savient Pharmaceuticals Inc., in consultation with US FDA has issued a letter to health professionals regarding the potential for interaction when oxandrolone, an anabolic androgenic steroid and warfarin, an anticoagulant, are prescribed together. Oxandrolone is used as adjunctive therapy to promote weight gain in patients following extensive surgery, chronic infections, etc. According to a recent clinical study, concurrent dosing of oxandrolone and warfarin might prolong the half-life of warfarin with a resultant increase in the International Normalized Ratio (INR) or Prothrombin Time (PT). When oxandrolone is prescribed to patients being treated with warfarin, doses of warfarin may need to be decreased significantly to maintain a desirable INR level and diminish the risk of potentially serious bleeding. Patients should be carefully monitored for INR or PT values and for signs and symptoms of occult bleeding.

Reference:

'Dear Healthcare Professional' letter from Savient Pharmaceuticals Inc., 20 April 2004. Available from URL: U S Food and Drug Administration Home Page

I was simply answering the OPs question "Does anyone have experience taking Coumadin/warfarin and AAS"? I do, so I replied.
As mentioned before, there are many factors in the clotting cascade and testosterone can contribute to clotting in individuals with clotting disorders. I simply posted one example of an AAS that can have the opposite effect when used with Coumadin and may require a decreased Coumadin dosage.
Do.you have a problem with that?

[manvs]

Then the problem of the warfarin with is some type of testosterones?
What's happen with the stanozolol, boldenona or trembolona?

[RangerDanger830]

Well it seems I struck a nerve^. Instead of arguing I will secede to your superior reading comprehension and interpretation of anecdotes.

OP, take AAS, they'll decrease your blood coagulation and improve your overall health.

[manvs]

Well it seems I struck a nerve^. Instead of arguing I will secede to your superior reading comprehension and interpretation of anecdotes.

OP, take AAS, they'll decrease your blood coagulation and improve your overall health.

Maybe I can take more warfarin to compensate AAS efects.

[manvs]

Maybe I can take more warfarin to compensate AAS efects.

It's only 6 week

[tarmyg]

Maybe I can take more warfarin to compensate AAS efects.

I get the feeling you are looking for a specific answer. You have gotten some serious replies in this thread, mainly to not use AAS as you might drop dead. If you are so intent on using AAS no one here will stop you and since the consequence's seem to involve death I figure we will never know what you in the end decided!

[manvs]

I get the feeling you are looking for a specific answer. You have gotten some serious replies in this thread, mainly to not use AAS as you might drop dead. If you are so intent on using AAS no one here will stop you and since the consequence's seem to involve death I figure we will never know what you in the end decided!

I'm looking variants and see how to consume AAS.
It is fine to be natural but I'm tired of it. There is a huge difference between natural and steroids. I'm frustrated to work hard, diets, and yet so far from the results of steroid I ever catch up naturally.

[almostgone]

Well it seems I struck a nerve^. Instead of arguing I will secede to your superior reading comprehension and interpretation of anecdotes.

OP, take AAS, they'll decrease your blood coagulation and improve your overall health.

That is not what I posted. He asked for interactions between AAS and warfarin/Coumadin. Getting sick of your attitude. Again, if you have a problem with me state it via PM. Otherwise, back off.

[RangerDanger830]

That is not what I posted. He asked for interactions between AAS and warfarin/Coumadin. Getting sick of your attitude. Again, if you have a problem with me state it via PM. Otherwise, back off.

Yes sir.

[manvs]

I also read everywhere that Nolvadex can not be taken with warfarin. Yesterday I asked my doctor if I could and he said I could. There is no problem, that has several patients taking warfarin with Nolvadex and have had no problems of any kind. So you think about this?

[manvs]

Hi all

Doctor has replaced me warfarin by Aspirin(acetylsalicylic acid). You believe that I can have the same problems to use steroids? Or with aspirin I can safely use steroids?

Thanks all for your help..!