Anabolic steroids with warfarin sodium

[manvs]

Why are you taking warfarin? Most people take it for thrombosis. I would strongly discourage you from taking AAS. Very strongly.

The abbreviated version is because AAS increase your hematocrit. This means you have more erythrocytes, red blood cells. This causes a thickening of the blood. Obviously this is the exact opposite of what you want being on an anti-coagulant.

If you're on warfarin because of a risk of blood clots then please just stay natural. I'm speaking with medical experience. I'm sure your doctor would agree. The complications you could experience range from stroke to heart attack and possibly death or loss of a limb from restricted blood flow.

I read somewhere that the AAS, in this case stanozolol and testosterone propionate potentiate warfarin. You commented that the AAS would lead to thickening of the blood. I'm confused...

[Mr.BB]

I read somewhere that the AAS, in this case stanozolol and testosterone propionate potentiate warfarin. You commented that the AAS would lead to thickening of the blood. I'm confused...

Dude, Ranger and Bona gave you the correct answers, if you are on warfarin and dont know what erythocytes or hematocrit are you really not very interested in your own health, are you?

Nothing good will come out of someone needing warfarin doing steroids. Get over it.

[manvs]

Dude, Ranger and Bona gave you the correct answers, if you are on warfarin and dont know what erythocytes or hematocrit are you really not very interested in your own health, are you?

Nothing good will come out of someone needing warfarin doing steroids. Get over it.

Perfect.
Then they should be careful when they read out there about the adverse effects of steroids. Because in this case they(steroids articles) say that steroids increase the effects of warfarin.
Thank you very much for the answer Mr. BB

[almostgone]

Perfect.
Then they should be careful when they read out there about the adverse effects of steroids. Because in this case they(steroids articles) say that steroids increase the effects of warfarin.
Thank you very much for the answer Mr. BB

I have Factor V Leiden and have done just a tad of reading/learning on the subject of AAS and warfarin/Coumadin.
Keep in mind I am on TRT, not cycling. With that being said, it looks like some studies indicate that oxandrolone actually increases the effects of warfarin. Not recommending an anavar cycle or anything like that, just sharing the info.

WHO Pharmaceuticals Newsletter 2004, No. 03: SAFETY OF MEDICINES: OXANDROLONE - Warning for interaction with warfarin

JAMA Network | JAMA Internal Medicine | Oxandrolone Steroid Use and Impaired Coagulation

[Mr.BB]

I have Factor V Leiden and have done just a tad of reading/learning on the subject of AAS and warfarin/Coumadin.
Keep in mind I am on TRT, not cycling. With that being said, it looks like some studies indicate that oxandrolone actually increases the effects of warfarin. Not recommending an anavar cycle or anything like that, just sharing the info.

WHO Pharmaceuticals Newsletter 2004, No. 03: SAFETY OF MEDICINES: OXANDROLONE - Warning for interaction with warfarin

JAMA Network | JAMA Internal Medicine | Oxandrolone Steroid Use and Impaired Coagulation

Ok, so in this study they used 10 and 20 mgs ED of oxandrolone, what happens if one uses normal bodybuilding dosage?

Is it viable for the OP to do multiple bloodwork to correct warfarin dosage in order to maintain PT in optimal values?

[almostgone]

Ok, so in this study they used 10 and 20 mgs ED of oxandrolone, what happens if one uses normal bodybuilding dosage?

Is it viable for the OP to do multiple bloodwork to correct warfarin dosage in order to maintain PT in optimal values?

IMO, no. I just wanted to let the OP know that there are AAS that have an interaction with warfarin. As far as trying to run numerous PT/INR tests to compensate for the increased effectiveness of warfarin, I doubt you'll find very many, if any, US doctors willing to order the tests, much less prescribe the Oxandrin for that purpose.
As stated in my post, this was simply information that I was sharing. Also. I stated, that my post was coming from a TRT perspective, not an AAS cycle.

I may be mistaken, but I suspect the OP isn't from the US, so the information may prove useful in his country.

[RangerDanger830]

I have Factor V Leiden and have done just a tad of reading/learning on the subject of AAS and warfarin/Coumadin.
Keep in mind I am on TRT, not cycling. With that being said, it looks like some studies indicate that oxandrolone actually increases the effects of warfarin. Not recommending an anavar cycle or anything like that, just sharing the info.

WHO Pharmaceuticals Newsletter 2004, No. 03: SAFETY OF MEDICINES: OXANDROLONE - Warning for interaction with warfarin

JAMA Network | JAMA Internal Medicine | Oxandrolone Steroid Use and Impaired Coagulation

First of all, I have about had enough of people quoting information they read from an abstract. If you have full access to the article please share it so I can rip your argument apart.

So, notice in the abstract how it says it has been anecdotally associated? An anecdote in this contexts means hearsay. It is essentially a broscience equivalent. The article even admits that upfront, and yet you use it to help justify your desire to use AAS against our judgment?

Now, let me tear the front page of the article apart since that is all you posted. The article states a 93-year-old woman with pretty much every single thing wrong with her took oxandrolone and miraculously her prothrombin time has increased, along with another, also admittedly anecdotal, patient who had a similar response.

So let's pretend that they aren't openly admitting that their evidence is based on unproven and unchecked accounts. Let's also say their sample size was more than two and the evidence was based on actually bodybuilding doses. If you have taken a stats course then you know how terrible a sample size of two is. You still have several fallacies in this "evidence."

There is still the fact that none of these studies, actually they aren't even studies, none of this hearsay has been observed over longer periods of time. I am not talking years, they haven't even been tested for several weeks. But that is not all, even if the compound does consistently raise prothrombin time, does that mean it is still good for you? You have to look at the medication as a whole. Do you know how many different factors there are that allow blood to clot? No you don't, I don't even know because there are so many. You are going to need to prove more than increased prothrombin times before you convince me.

Never mind the fact that a lot of people will tell you to take Test with your Anavar.

[almostgone]

First of all, I have about had enough of people quoting information they read from an abstract. If you have full access to the article please share it so I can rip your argument apart.

So, notice in the abstract how it says it has been anecdotally associated? An anecdote in this contexts means hearsay. It is essentially a broscience equivalent. The article even admits that upfront, and yet you use it to help justify your desire to use AAS against our judgment?

Now, let me tear the front page of the article apart since that is all you posted. The article states a 93-year-old woman with pretty much every single thing wrong with her took oxandrolone and miraculously her prothrombin time has increased, along with another, also admittedly anecdotal, patient who had a similar response.

So let's pretend that they aren't openly admitting that their evidence is based on unproven and unchecked accounts. Let's also say their sample size was more than two and the evidence was based on actually bodybuilding doses. If you have taken a stats course then you know how terrible a sample size of two is. You still have several fallacies in this "evidence."

There is still the fact that none of these studies, actually they aren't even studies, none of this hearsay has been observed over longer periods of time. I am not talking years, they haven't even been tested for several weeks. But that is not all, even if the compound does consistently raise prothrombin time, does that mean it is still good for you? You have to look at the medication as a whole. Do you know how many different factors there are that allow blood to clot? No you don't, I don't even know because there are so many. You are going to need to prove more than increased prothrombin times before you convince me.

Never mind the fact that a lot of people will tell you to take Test with your Anavar.

You my friend have an issue with reading comprehension. Read the part in bold below.

I have Factor V Leiden and have done just a tad of reading/learning on the subject of AAS and warfarin/Coumadin.
Keep in mind I am on TRT, not cycling. With that being said, it looks like some studies indicate that oxandrolone actually increases the effects of warfarin. Not recommending an anavar cycle or anything like that, just sharing the info.

WHO Pharmaceuticals Newsletter 2004, No. 03: SAFETY OF MEDICINES: OXANDROLONE - Warning for interaction with warfarin

JAMA Network | JAMA Internal Medicine | Oxandrolone Steroid Use and Impaired Coagulation

I simply posted a few references that I have run across.
Secondly. I get tired of people coming across all high and mighty. He asked if anyone had experience with warfarin and steroid. I do, a hell of a lot. In addition to suffering through numerous heart conditions, I also have Leiden FactorV, am highly resistant to Coumadin, and the only thinner that worked was Arixtra, which they don't want me on long term.
Now, my references are at least credible and not a self promoting dot com posting. If you have a problem with me, PM me and we can discuss it, otherwise, get off my back.
I simply replied to a question that I have experience with, so climb down off.your high horse.

[almostgone]

First of all, I have about had enough of people quoting information they read from an abstract. If you have full access to the article please share it so I can rip your argument apart.

So, notice in the abstract how it says it has been anecdotally associated? An anecdote in this contexts means hearsay. It is essentially a broscience equivalent. The article even admits that upfront, and yet you use it to help justify your desire to use AAS against our judgment?

Now, let me tear the front page of the article apart since that is all you posted. The article states a 93-year-old woman with pretty much every single thing wrong with her took oxandrolone and miraculously her prothrombin time has increased, along with another, also admittedly anecdotal, patient who had a similar response.

So let's pretend that they aren't openly admitting that their evidence is based on unproven and unchecked accounts. Let's also say their sample size was more than two and the evidence was based on actually bodybuilding doses. If you have taken a stats course then you know how terrible a sample size of two is. You still have several fallacies in this "evidence."

There is still the fact that none of these studies, actually they aren't even studies, none of this hearsay has been observed over longer periods of time. I am not talking years, they haven't even been tested for several weeks. But that is not all, even if the compound does consistently raise prothrombin time, does that mean it is still good for you? You have to look at the medication as a whole. Do you know how many different factors there are that allow blood to clot? No you don't, I don't even know because there are so many. You are going to need to prove more than increased prothrombin times before you convince me.

Never mind the fact that a lot of people will tell you to take Test with your Anavar.

What's this part about using AAS against our judgement? or take test with your var. I never said not to. I was sharing information. If you are referring to the OP, then your reading skills are WAY off. I didn't even post a question, make a suggestion for a cycle, or ask a question about a cycle. I simply mentioned that I am on TRT, Dr. administered at the Drs. office, so I don't know why you accuse me of using AAS against "our judgement".
Maybe you need to step away from the keyboard for a bit.
And yes, when the World Health Organization and the Journal of the American Medical Association puts out an abstract it carries some weight, IMHO.


Now, can you explain to me or PM me and tell me why you are going off on a rant on me? It certainly can't be for giving advice or instructing the OP to do ANYTHING. As I posted above, I was simply posting info that I have run across over years of dealing with hypercoaguability
Why you decided to tear off on me is beyond my comprehension. The only conclusion that I can come to thus far is that you have a problem with reading and.following a thread or you are one of those people that feel a need to jump on someone's case because you like to feel important.