anavar help and pct

[Boxtrot]

would like to run anavar at 60mgs ED for 6 weeks, HCG during and i believe nolva and clomid for PCT but after searching cannot seem to find solid answers for the dosages or plan for those 3 if someone could help me out with that it would be much appreciated.

The dosage is in the upper range and the cycle length seems adequate for my goals so im satisfied with that but any suggestions would be appreciated.

age 25
height 5 7"
llifting 5 years
weight 165
bf% 13

[The Bear 79]

So you don't think you can put on any more lean mass naturally? 5'-7" / 165 lbs. is pretty small. I bet if we made some adjustments to your diet & training, you could hit 175 - 180 before you cycle. Cycling without a sufficient foundation is a waste of time & money bro, you;ll never keep any of it & 6 - 8 weeks after, you may even end up smaller than you were when you started.

[Boxtrot]

I should of mentioned its a cutting cycle. Size is not my goal with this. Although i know i will look 'bigger' as such with a lower body fat. I am simply not a big person and only want to do what suits me not what my ego tells me i should do.

And of course Diet and cardio are key...

I have looked at every aspect of how i want to achieve my goal through AAS with this type of avenue for months. It may seem unusual that i am looking for such PCT help but after much reading i know there are at least 5 guys on here that know exactly what they're talking about. I assumed they would chime in and help me with their PCT answers and i would average out the answers to give me the best possible plan. Although im sure it will be in plain view.

[Bossman]

You might want to post a PCT question in the PCT forum. At my age I no longer try to recover, just cruise at low dose between cycles.

anavar will help you maintain muscle mass while you're cutting and it's not so strong that it's going to damage you. Not what a big bodybuilder would use during his cut, but you have your goals.

[The Bear 79]

For Christ's sake, how much more can you lose man?!?! If your goal is to burn fat & you don't want to "get big", you don't need steroids at all, you can achieve your goal on the hamster wheel. Save your steroid & PCT money for food.................or a speedo..............or whatever.

[Boxtrot]

I posted in the PCT section also.

the amount of weight is irrelevant i just wanna be 10% bf.

Ive seen enough physiques to know what i would look like to know its what i want to look like.

Money is not an issue. i dont see how it could be for anyone, if theyre doing it to look the way they've always wanted to look.

[The Bear 79]

I don't get it, you're trying to cut 3% & you think there's no other way but steroids..................its 3% man.............3%...............not 10 or 20.........just 3%. You can burn off 3% without even working out, just decrease your intake a little. You want to shut yourself down for to burn off 3%...........I just don't get it.

[dumbtoad]

Is it just me, or are there more and more kids coming on here for "the easy route"?

[Boxtrot]

because anymore fat loss right now is extremely slow to non-existant without losing muscle at the same time. thats just my genetics. Do a google search nowhere does it say that its anything less than 'difficult' to get to a low body fat. If you dont have this problem it will be hard for you to understand where im coming from.

And cardio isn't as much of an option as you might think. my left hip is fused together.

And i've tried lowering calories, like i said i just lose muscle.

[Boxtrot]

Is it just me, or are there more and more kids coming on here for "the easy route"?

25 is not a kid.

when arnold was 'great' no1 would said he wasnt 'great' because he took the 'easy route'.

[dumbtoad]

25 is not a kid.

when arnold was 'great' no1 would said he wasnt 'great' because he took the 'easy route'.

Good point, however...Arnold had a solid base and built on it. He didn't take an already small base and seek to make it smaller. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but I agree with bear.

[kelkel]

Box it just does not seem prudent or necessary to mess with your HPTA Axis just to lose that small of an amount. There's always an inherent risk with AAS. Anavar is suppressive and some people never recover fully even with proper pct. Just a thought!

[10nispro]

Using the fused hip is an excuse in my opinion to try a short cut method of losing that 3%. If its that important to you, then you can get in a pool and swim. Swimming is a calorie burning guru all its self.

[Boxtrot]

Box it just does not seem prudent or necessary to mess with your HPTA Axis just to lose that small of an amount. There's always an inherent risk with AAS. Anavar is suppressive and some people never recover fully even with proper pct. Just a thought!

Small amount? Why should anyone use anavar at all then?

Hmmm. Thats a risk AAS users are willing to take isnt it?

Just trying to think logically.

Good point, however...Arnold had a solid base and built on it. He didn't take an already small base and seek to make it smaller. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but I agree with bear.

I understand.

Bigger or small, size is not the issue. Aesthetics is.

Using the fused hip is an excuse in my opinion to try a short cut method of losing that 3%. If its that important to you, then you can get in a pool and swim. Swimming is a calorie burning guru all its self.

The hip is an excuse for cardio. However, you try being me for a day and see how hard life in general is then you see how you feel about dieting and lifting and being active. Then try and tell someone how important achieving a goal like this is when it took you 4 years to rehabilitate yourself to the point of being able to do a slow jog.

Ill put it this way. i am fitter, stronger and more aesthetic then 90% of the people i know. with a fused hip. Now you may see this as just a measure of time in which i could diet or exercise to achieve this goal, but i see it as problem i dont have the tools to fix. this is a means to an end to a life time goal.

[Bossman]

LMAO, var isn't going to fvck you up that much. They give the stuff to kids. Bantam weight bodybuilders use AAS too. He's old enough and it's his choice.

Give yourself a simple pct and enjoy your var bud.

[The Bear 79]

LMAO, var isn't going to fvck you up that much. They give the stuff to kids. Bantam weight bodybuilders use AAS too. He's old enough and it's his choice.

Give yourself a simple pct and enjoy your var bud.

Weather it be Var or Tren, or any other AAS, it doesn't matter........... Shut down is shut down.

[Bossman]

Weather it be Var or Tren, or any other AAS, it doesn't matter........... Shut down is shut down.

Nah, it's not. I know a guy in his early 20's that ran one cycle that included tren and he is now on HRT. How many do you know that have run var and are on HRT?

[The Bear 79]

I don't know ANYBODY on HRT / TRT. Its like a light bulb, when the switch get turn off, is the bulb any "less off" because you gently turned it to the off position rather than aggressively hitting it or smacking it to the off position? .................Off is off...............shut down is shut down.

[FireGuy]

To the OP, simply adding in Anavar and not implanting cardio or extensive dietary changes will not make you any leaner.

[Boxtrot]

Thankyou bossman.

To the OP, simply adding in Anavar and not implanting cardio or extensive dietary changes will not make you any leaner.

i've been doing cardio 3-4 days a week for the past 4 weeks and now i've hit a wall my lower body just isnt recovering enough anymore so im having a week or 2 rest to just lift then the way i see it with the benefits of the Var ill just need to make it thru the 6 weeks to reach the light light at the end of the tunnel.

[FireGuy]

I dont want to argue with you or damper your enthusiasm in any way. If you cant recover from 3-4 days of cardio then you diet is terrible or you have WAY too much stress in your life. I think you are going to be very disappointed in your results. TBH I think you are just looking for an excuse to use Anavar which I dont necessarrily have an issue with but I think you are misguided.

[Boxtrot]

I dont want to argue with you or damper your enthusiasm in any way. If you cant recover from 3-4 days of cardio then you diet is terrible or you have WAY too much stress in your life. I think you are going to be very disappointed in your results. TBH I think you are just looking for an excuse to use Anavar which I dont necessarrily have an issue with but I think you are misguided.

You didnt read my left hip is fused?

It's not the muscles its my bones in my lower legs and the fact that one leg is shorter than the other and im mostly using my right leg to do everything. I've always had this problem with running, i run for a few weeks then i have to have a week or more off for everything to recover an thats if i dont hurt my knee or my hip is doing ok.

[FireGuy]

I read that and understand it. So you think Anavar is going to fix your hip problem therefor allowing you to do your cardio? Or you think the Anavar is going to burn fat off you while take these breaks from overtraining?

[Boxtrot]

I read that and understand it. So you think Anavar is going to fix your hip problem therefor allowing you to do your cardio? Or you think the Anavar is going to burn fat off you while take these breaks from overtraining?

I think you should re-read my posts.

My fused hip affects my whole lower body not just the muscles in my lower body.

The anavar is to help me reach a goal that would otherwise be problematic given my position.

This is my excuse. Im done justifying it.

[FireGuy]

First of all, you dont need to justify your use to me or anyone else. I am posting in your thread because I didnt and still dont understand your rational for how this is going to help. I understand you have a fused hip, I know two competitive bodybuilders who have had hip repla***ents so I know there are ways of training around it. My question was and still is, Is the Anavar going to allow you to do cardio where you arent currently able to do it due to not recovering or is it something else? So, are you changing anything else in your current regimine or just adding 60mgs of Anavar in hopes that it alone will burn off the 7lbs of bodyfat you need to lose to reach your goal in six weeks?

[felk87]

First of all, you dont need to justify your use to me or anyone else. I am posting in your thread because I didnt and still dont understand your rational for how this is going to help. I understand you have a fused hip, I know two competitive bodybuilders who have had hip repla***ents so I know there are ways of training around it. My question was and still is, Is the Anavar going to allow you to do cardio where you arent currently able to do it due to not recovering or is it something else? So, are you changing anything else in your current regimine or just adding 60mgs of Anavar in hopes that it alone will burn off the 7lbs of bodyfat you need to lose to reach your goal in six weeks?

I only work out 5 times a week and very minimum cardio, 30mg of var a day and i went from 12% bf to 10%, so now what...its all about how you treat the var, be smart about it, diet good, and work out hard. O and that is only two weeks of var.

[BBrian]

You know, sometimes you guys get way out of line with your desire to baby-sit people asking for advice on doses, and go too far out of your way to exaggerate the harms of Anavar. If you're terrified that he's going to suppress his gonads with 60mg of Anavar ed for 6 weeks, you must have somehow failed to notice that he will be taking HCG. Steroids aren't going to fix his physical limitations, but we all experiment with AAS to achieve results that diet and exercise alone either won't bring us to, or to simply come to those results at a faster rate. Either way, there are scenarios when steroid users telling people not to take steroids is hypocritical - and this is one of those scenarios.

You should dose two 250iu injections of HCG per week while taking the Anavar (one Monday morning, the other Thursday evening). HCG stimulates testicular aromatase activity, therefore it is important that you take at least a small dose of an aromatase inhibitor while on HCG. I would personally recommend 0.25mg of Arimidex every three days, but increase that to every other day should you notice estrogenic side effects. HCG has a half-life of approximately 5 days, therefore I would begin PCT a full week after my last HCG injection, but continue with Arimidex just before you start PCT in order to continue to combat the aromatase enzyme while the HCG continues to clear out of your system. Anavar has a shorter half-life than HCG, but just for the sake of simplifying things, I would stop taking Anavar and HCG at the same time.

As far as your PCT goes, you should be able to get away with a light one. Nolvadex 40mg weeks 1-2, 20mg weeks 3-4, and Clomid 50mg weeks 1-2, 25mg weeks 3-4. I personally think that you will be impressed with the results of your cycle and PCT for a long time to come.

[FireGuy]

I only work out 5 times a week and very minimum cardio, 30mg of var a day and i went from 12% bf to 10%, so now what...its all about how you treat the var, be smart about it, diet good, and work out hard. O and that is only two weeks of var.

What was your lean body mass and fat mass prior to taking the Anavar and what was it two weeks later? Also what method did you use to measure your body composition to validate your claim?

[felk87]

What was your lean body mass and fat mass prior to taking the Anavar and what was it two weeks later? Also what method did you use to measure your body composition to validate your claim?

Heheh just felt like stating my experience, but i go to a rec center where they measure your bf with calipers and wirldpool calipers...not sure if you ever heard if them...its like a mini pool where they attach a bunch of shyt to diff part of your body and make you run on a underwater treadmill for 5 mins...pretty cool stuff and its suppossed to be 99% accurate...also i started at 15%bf back in jan9th with test e 500 mg pw, dropped to 14% but added 13lbs by week 6 of.my cycle, then i added the var 30mg ed and this is my 3rd week on it and got a caliper reading on sat and i was 11.87% bf which to me is 12%...so i dont believe in var is only effective at high doses, i weight 197lbs today 5'9" and i can honestly say var will work for anyone with a good base start and good diet, even at low doses. Just my experience.

[The Bear 79]

You know, sometimes you guys get way out of line with your desire to baby-sit people asking for advice on doses, and go too far out of your way to exaggerate the harms of Anavar. If you're terrified that he's going to suppress his gonads with 60mg of Anavar ed for 6 weeks, you must have somehow failed to notice that he will be taking HCG. Steroids aren't going to fix his physical limitations, but we all experiment with AAS to achieve results that diet and exercise alone either won't bring us to, or to simply come to those results at a faster rate. Either way, there are scenarios when steroid users telling people not to take steroids is hypocritical - and this is one of those scenarios.

You should dose two 250iu injections of HCG per week while taking the Anavar (one Monday morning, the other Thursday evening). HCG stimulates testicular aromatase activity, therefore it is important that you take at least a small dose of an aromatase inhibitor while on HCG. I would personally recommend 0.25mg of Arimidex every three days, but increase that to every other day should you notice estrogenic side effects. HCG has a half-life of approximately 5 days, therefore I would begin PCT a full week after my last HCG injection, but continue with Arimidex just before you start PCT in order to continue to combat the aromatase enzyme while the HCG continues to clear out of your system. Anavar has a shorter half-life than HCG, but just for the sake of simplifying things, I would stop taking Anavar and HCG at the same time.

As far as your PCT goes, you should be able to get away with a light one. Nolvadex 40mg weeks 1-2, 20mg weeks 3-4, and Clomid 50mg weeks 1-2, 25mg weeks 3-4. I personally think that you will be impressed with the results of your cycle and PCT for a long time to come.

Explain how HCG will stop the HPTA from being shut down. And for no other reason except to burn a few lbs., he wants to shut down his hormone production to burn a few lbs. That seems ridiculously lazy. And BTW, that's not a "light PCT" that's a normal PCT that anyone would run after a full 10 - 12 week cycle of moderate to high doses of AAS, & that's even including the use of a 19 nor.

[FireGuy]

Heheh just felt like stating my experience, but i go to a rec center where they measure your bf with calipers and wirldpool calipers...not sure if you ever heard if them...its like a mini pool where they attach a bunch of shyt to diff part of your body and make you run on a underwater treadmill for 5 mins...pretty cool stuff and its suppossed to be 99% accurate...also i started at 15%bf back in jan9th with test e 500 mg pw, dropped to 14% but added 13lbs by week 6 of.my cycle, then i added the var 30mg ed and this is my 3rd week on it and got a caliper reading on sat and i was 11.87% bf which to me is 12%...so i dont believe in var is only effective at high doses, i weight 197lbs today 5'9" and i can honestly say var will work for anyone with a good base start and good diet, even at low doses. Just my experience.

Since you didnt include your weight at 14% we are left with pretty much two scenarios. Adding in Anavar at 30mgs a day for two weeks either got your body to drop 10lbs of fat (35,000 KCals) in two weeks time. Or your body added 5lbs of lean muscle while at the same time shedding 5lbs of pure bodyfat. This would bring you to your current state of 174lbs LBM and 23lbs bodyfat. You my friend are a genetic freak and destined to win the Mr Olympia one day. At this rate in four more weeks you will be just about 200lbs and just over 5% bodyfat.

[BBrian]

Explain how HCG will stop the HPTA from being shut down. And for no other reason except to burn a few lbs., he wants to shut down his hormone production to burn a few lbs. That seems ridiculously lazy. And BTW, that's not a "light PCT" that's a normal PCT that anyone would run after a full 10 - 12 week cycle of moderate to high doses of AAS, & that's even including the use of a 19 nor.

You can't be serious.

[FireGuy]

Brian, if running HCG kept you from being shut down there would be no reason for PCT. Suggest you read the book "A Question of Muscle". "DR Scally" This will really open your eyes to the scientific side of things as opposed to just whats written on forums.

[BBrian]

Brian, if running HCG kept you from being shut down there would be no reason for PCT. Suggest you read the book "A Question of Muscle". "DR Scally" This will really open your eyes to the scientific side of things as opposed to just whats written on forums.

Thanks for the rec. man, looking it up now. What do YOU think about that cycle though, for someone who is only interested in the benefits of Var, not testosterone, and considering that it is followed up with PCT? Do you think that the HCG would suffice to maintain test levels while administering Anavar?

[FireGuy]

There was a time when I would have said probably but the more I read on real world hypogonadism upon cessation the more pessimistic I have become. The length of time it takes to restore everything to normal levels can be 4-6 months even under a great PCT protocol. There is a reason so many people do a few cycles then go on cruise dosages forever. I tend to agree with Bear on this one. For what the OP wants to accomplish it just isnt worth it IMHO. At best he is back to where he started 8 weeks after cessation and at worse he is worse off 4 months from now.

[gearbox]

Great read
thanks fire

[The Bear 79]

You can't be serious.

I'm very serious. I would love to see you prove HCG stops the HPTA from being shut down.

[felk87]

Since you didnt include your weight at 14% we are left with pretty much two scenarios. Adding in Anavar at 30mgs a day for two weeks either got your body to drop 10lbs of fat (35,000 KCals) in two weeks time. Or your body added 5lbs of lean muscle while at the same time shedding 5lbs of pure bodyfat. This would bring you to your current state of 174lbs LBM and 23lbs bodyfat. You my friend are a genetic freak and destined to win the Mr Olympia one day. At this rate in four more weeks you will be just about 200lbs and just over 5% bodyfat.

At 14% i was 204 lbs but also a lot of water retention....

[Razor]

. The length of time it takes to restore everything to normal levels can be 4-6 months even under a great PCT protocol. There is a reason so many people do a few cycles then go on cruise dosages forever.

Could you elaborate on this a bit more please. If I understand you correctly after doing a few cycles are you saying you permantley need to be on HRT for your life?

[FireGuy]

No, not what I am saying at all. Everytime you shut your system down it often takes longer and is harder to get it restored to it's previous levels. Many guys get tired of the yo-yo effect and feeling like crap for months at a time. They often end up starting another cycle before their system is back to normal or they just decide to cruise between cycles. Once this happens to the odds or TRT for life are greatly increased.