Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
"Yes, gvmt run healthcare is socialized medicine but only if there are no other options. Obama isn't championing a complete take over of the healthcare he's proposing a gvmt OPTION."

social security was going to be on a volunteer basis also bgmc
Wasn't aware of that...please enlighten me!!!

Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
I've already explained in another thread the reasons our healthcare is so expensive and that the gvmt system can't change that. It's a transfer of power from private to public, not a cost cutting move. It fits with the liberal ideals that rich and poor should all have the same of everything.
Liberal ideals aren't that we have the same of everything...but fundamental things like affordable healthcare should be made available to everyone and not because of some feel good ideal of equal access but rather because of the burden the uninsured put on everyone else.