I think all the people you mentioned about losing all their gains are the guys making ridiculous amounts of gains, like the people who say damn I gained 25lbs off my cycle or 30lbs, I'm not a vet by any means or and only know what I've experienced or read, but I do remember reading that if you can keep 5lbs of solid muscle after a cycle your doing good, steroids aren't magic although most people think they are, diet diet diet, you can take all aas in the world and lift daily, but if your diet is off point your just ****ing up your body for no reason, just my 2 cents