How to Use Insulin and Clen to Cut

[rambo]

I want to preface this immediately with a proper warning. If you are not completely and totally comfortable with both Humalog and Clenbuterol, then do not, for your own sake, continue reading this. This is a dangerous idea if you aren’t able to monitor yourself well.


It breaks down like this. I had an idea, so I PM'ed einstein. He researched and posted "IM Insulin Injections" http://forums.anabolicreview.com//sh...d.php?t=100552.

The idea behind it is that the insulin peaks faster, and leaves your system quicker. Not only does it do that, but even 1.5-2 hours after injection, there are no signs of hypoglycemia. See the post for more details.

I utilized my cutting diet; http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729, in order to set up the macronutrients for the day. The breakdown looks like this...

The overall setup is essentially designed with two time frames in mind; the AM hours all promote lypolysis, and the PM hours are devoted to replenishing stores of glycogen. This just seems like a logical extension; and to tell you the truth, somewhat exciting. Essentially, you're spending half the day burning bodyfat, and the other half building lean muscle.

Breakdown...

Lipolysis Stage-

AM cardio
Clen
15-40 mins later pro/fat meal

3hrs later pro/fat

Workout

Anabolic Stage

7-10 iu IM humalog
6-7g/iu dex after 5 mins
75g protein after 15 minutes

1.5 hrs later PPWO meal
50g protein, 35g slow carbs

3 hrs later pro/fat

3 hrs later nightime pro/fat meal


That's pretty much it.

My results so far have been downright startling. As you know, with insulin, pumps are amazing, and some of mine have lasted me upwards of 8 hours. But keep in mind that I'm on around 90 grams of carbs a day, and I'm FULLY pumped. There is no feeling of carb deflation, I don't look flat, nothing. I ran a typical 2 week clen cycle, and averaged about 10ius of Humalog daily.

I was concerned about the GLUT-4 mechanisms having antagonistic effects using the two compounds, but after some discussion, we decided that the interference was negligible.

[Mr. Sparkle]

Sweet this some great info!

slin pwnes j00

[Steroids101]

Clens negative effect on Glut-4 concentrations post workout are completley counteracted by insulin. I think the whole "Clen sabataging the training adaption" is overrated anyways.

How have the results been? Post some numbers!!!

[Steroids101]

Im having trouble understanding why the insulin leaves your system faster? Is it because the muscles were glycogen depleted already?

[einstein1905]

Im having trouble understanding why the insulin leaves your system faster? Is it because the muscles were glycogen depleted already?

Good stuff, and it's good to hear the results were what you were looking for. Just to point out what should be obvious to most, but is all to often taken for granted. Rambo had a very well-researched and well thoughout plan.......and he stuck to it. His diet (both timing and macro combos) was perfectly laid out IMO, and it was the ideal layout for insulin too. The clen simply complemented things, based on his goals.


The insulin reaches its peak faster and has a shorter total activity period, because it bypasses the process of absorption after a subQ injection.....with Humalog, this is really the rate-determining feature.....with other insulins, going IM will not have nearly the impact.

[Steroids101]

Good stuff, and it's good to hear the results were what you were looking for. Just to point out what should be obvious to most, but is all to often taken for granted. Rambo had a very well-researched and well thoughout plan.......and he stuck to it. His diet (both timing and macro combos) was perfectly laid out IMO, and it was the ideal layout for insulin too. The clen simply complemented things, based on his goals.


The insulin reaches its peak faster and has a shorter total activity period, because it bypasses the process of absorption after a subQ injection.....with Humalog, this is really the rate-determining feature.....with other insulins, going IM will not have nearly the impact.

Got you. Also, wouldn't injecting IM into the muscle that was previously worked have an even greater clearance time? Just curious?

[rambo]

How have the results been? Post some numbers!!!

Gained 5 pounds, dropped 2% bodyfat. In two weeks.

[Steroids101]

Gained 5 pounds, dropped 2% bodyfat. In two weeks.

**** thats amazing! Good job bro!

[hunkiemunkie]

I have seen it myself that this plan is working wonders on Rambo. I am a close friend and can tell you truthfully, he knows what he is doing and it is amazing what it has done for him. He's right about that pumps. I've even been noticing how pumped he's been. Listen to this man.

[einstein1905]

Gained 5 pounds, dropped 2% bodyfat. In two weeks.

so people realize exactly what this means.......assuming you're ~200lbs, that's a net of ~10lbs of LBM......during pct!

[Mr. Sparkle]

Wow thats sick!

[joevette]

Hey einstein, I know you posted a chart earlier about IM slin injections, but I couldn't open it. Could you tell me when is the peak activity of an IM Humalog shot and how long is it active for?

[DEVLDOG]

so you ran this pct..this is the exact method i have been using the last 4 weeks,10ius,clen/eca and your diet and mine appear to be the same but i am still on cycle,i had no idea that the clen got the slin in and out quicker.i have noticed though that i feel fuller during my eca weeks as compared to my clen weeks.
btw,my bis are still pumped from yesterdays workout.i cant even bend my arm all the way up to scratch my nose...this is the 2nd week of eca..overall 10th week of clen eca cycle....2 more weeks to go..running tren,test e and eq also.

[einstein1905]

so you ran this pct..this is the exact method i have been using the last 4 weeks,10ius,clen/eca and your diet and mine appear to be the same but i am still on cycle,i had no idea that the clen got the slin in and out quicker.i have noticed though that i feel fuller during my eca weeks as compared to my clen weeks.
btw,my bis are still pumped from yesterdays workout.i cant even bend my arm all the way up to scratch my nose...this is the 2nd week of eca..overall 10th week of clen eca cycle....2 more weeks to go..running tren,test e and eq also.

The clen doesn't speed things up (other than your BMR).....the IM vs subQ does. the clen is merely to increase BMR to "cut" while gaining LBM with slin



the peak of activity and onset of activity as well as total activity period is about 1/2 that of subQ in all respects

[Daven]

One question, is the clen taken before the cardio or after?

[DEVLDOG]

One question, is the clen taken before the cardio or after?

I TAKE MINE FIRST THING IN THE AM,but it doesnt matter because of the long 1/2 life...34hrs,yesterdays dose is still active.i do pop a no-doze though before cardio(200mg caffine)

[Daven]

Ah ok thanks, looks like ill be starting monday then.

[Daven]

One more thing now that Ive thought about it... What should the day set up be like? As in should I be doing cardio every day? and if so, do I use slin even on the non workout days?

[joevette]

Hey Rambo, how are you doing your total coloric intake, Maintanence or above or below?

[joevette]

Also, how would some IGF-1 LR3 fit into the mix? Sounds like a good combo to me.

[Daven]

One more thing now that Ive thought about it... What should the day set up be like? As in should I be doing cardio every day? and if so, do I use slin even on the non workout days?

bump

[rambo]

One more thing now that Ive thought about it... What should the day set up be like?

I JUST POSTED THE ENTIRE DAILY DIET AND ROUTINE ABOVE IN THE INITIAL POST.

As in should I be doing cardio every day?

YES

and if so, do I use slin even on the non workout days?

NO.

[Mr. Sparkle]

TTT for those that have not read this before

[rambo]

Bump because I just realized how amazing my results were with this combo and I wanted to share.

[BDTR]

Rambo, when you PM'd me this some time ago I used it right away as I was cutting down, and I'll tell you, it was amazing.

[!!BarmaN!!]

More people ho have thon it this way?

[Mr. Sparkle]

More people ho have thon it this way?

[joevette]

More people ho have thon it this way?

If you're asking if anyone else has done this, then yes I'm on something similar right now. I'm doing it on cycle, though, and with T3. 10ius slin pwo, 100mcg clen, 100mcg T3, tren, test prop, EQ, cardio in the am with weights in the pm. I just started last monday, but I'm already down 8lbs and the slin is keeping my muscles nice and full. I'm using PGF2-A also.

[majorpecs]

Wow, i have to bump this now that I've read it for the first time. Awesome stuff!

[bor]

Can this plan also ne used with 4 IUs of gh in the morning?

[lovbyts]

It seems I'm not the only one who uses the search feature and brings up OLD threads. LOL
Interesting read..

[Gear]

This thread is 4 years old, please don't bump old threads, thank you.

-Gear

[bor]

D@mn I didn't notice sorry bro

[Gear]

No worries man.

-Gear

[Jaxino]

How i can put also HGH into this protocol?

Atm i'm using 10iu of HGH, 2 before bed 2 am 3iu before WO 3iu after WO.