thanx for the input db101 ive only been on the celebrex for about 3 months doc gave me that when i started working back out and ive been on the chondrointin for about 6 months this is the whole reason i had to stop playing semi pro baseball man that sucked i love that fucking sport but i guess you can only catch for so long they did not come out with those knee savers early enough for me but im not the only one in my family who has it didnt know if you could link it to genetics or not i just thought that i was a little young to have these probs im only 21 and i sux but im going to over come it. well thats that on that.

oh and all the info you gave me on who to get cerified im my pt through man studying is going great soaking in real good i start my training in three weeks at a real high $ county club man i cant wait they are going to pay me $75 hr. thanks for all the help.