if you have one of those adjustable benching machines that have no bar in the middle and just on the outside and can adjust for many angles to hit the chest/miltary for shoulders try them out (this is hard to explain but alot of gyms have them in there machine section..kind of like a --u-- shape lookin from above head. i find this is killer on the traps shrug with shitload more than the dumbels can get and u dont have to wrry about the barbell scraping ur ass or ur balls infront or behind u..just throwing this in my shoulder routine 2 sets of as heavy as i can go fro about 10-15 reps high intensity holding poisition and squeezing at the top for at least 2 sec slow on the way down let it pull ur whole shoulders down for the stretch my traps actually hurt for 2-3 days after when they usually arent sore at all good stuff give it a try




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