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    brucelee,

    These are reasonable goals that you've set for your first cycle--and you've taken into consideration not only what you want, but what you don't want so your body will be able to serve you well during wing chun and jiu jutsu.

    I'm going to give you information based on the information you've posted. Please research this more--don't just take my word for it. Come to your own conclusion.

    You have three options that are based on my limited knowledge, which falls primarily around Testosterone and Equipose. Just to give you some quick background on me: I've read about and discussed information for my second cycle which will be a stack of tesosterone and equipose. My first cycle was supposedly a low dose testosterone-only cycle.

    Before I give you any information, please read the following:
    IMPORTANT NOTE: I am not a doctor. I am not a medical professional. You should consult a doctor before you begin to use controlled substances such as steroids (also refered to as AS). It may appear that I know how to use steroids, but my knowledge is very limited. I do not advocate the use of steroids. I suggest that you grow completely naturally. The information I have given on this board and particularly in this thread is exchanged for entertainment purposes only and is not meant to be acted on. Do not act on this information.

    OPTION I (Using only Equipose [EQ])
    You will be one of the very few and proud to hit an EQ-only cycle. But, it is a good place to start if you are willing to use this first cycle as an experiment and learning phase.

    As I said before, you stand to gain around 6 lbs--but they are more easliy kept pounds. And 6 puts you close to your range of 10 keepable pounds. You might reach 10 if you have a god-like-spectacular 10 week period. However, if you decide to use this CYCLE OPTION, then you should aim for the reasonable 6 lbs.

    The EQ-only cycle can look like this:

    Weeks 1-10:
    400mg EQ every week (split in two 200mg shots taken Mon./Thurs.)
    Weeks 11-12:
    Nothing
    Weeks 13-15:
    Clomid @ 300mg** day 1, 100mg days 2-11, 50mg days 12-21

    * -- NOTE 1: This time period is used to allow the AS to leave your body before you begin clomid therapy. This time frame differs for each steroid. For example EQ takes 3 weeks, Testosterone Propionate (aka "PROP") takes about 2 days.
    **--NOTE 2: This is the classic (most common) dosing for clomid therapy; however, many people start with 100mg on the first day and ignore the 300mg. I think the 300mg the first day comes from the old creatine-type logic of "front-loading" or "pre-loading." Using 100mg the first day as opposed to 300mg will work just as well.

    OPTION II (Stacking Equipose and Testosterone)
    This stack (as written below) can help yeild high gains--approximately 24lbs. However, depending on the amount of tesosterone you use, a large amount of that 24lbs will be water weight. Since you said that you want to avoid the water weight and because this is your first cycle, you can start at the lower doses listed below if you choose this CYCLE OPTION. (Just FYI: Most people start this type of stack at 400mg EQ and 400mg Testosterone, but good gains can be achieved using the following cycle outline. Especially because this is your first cycle, you can achieve high gains.)

    Weeks 1-12:
    300mg EQ every week (split in two 150 mg shots taken Mon./Thurs.)
    250mg test CYPIONATE*** every week (one shot)
    Weeks 13-14:
    Nothing
    Weeks 15-17:
    Clomid @ 300mg``` day 1, 100mg days 2-11, 50mg days 12-21

    On hand:
    1. Nolvadex (If needed--Start at 40mg ED till symptoms are gone, then run 20mg ED till end clomid therapy).

    *** -- NOTE 3: You can use either of the long lasting esters of testosterone, Cypionate or Enanthate. The latter is easier to find.
    ``` -- NOTE 4: See "NOTE 2" in OPTION I


    OPTION III (Testosterone only)
    Weeks 1-13:
    300mg test CYPIONATE*''* every week (split in two 150 mg shots taken Mon./Thurs.)
    Weeks 14:
    Nothing (CYP takes only 2 weeks to leave the body as opposed to the 3 weeks for EQ, hence the change in the time period here)
    Weeks 15-17:
    Clomid @ 300mg""" day 1, 100mg days 2-11, 50mg days 12-21

    On hand:
    1. Nolvadex (If needed--Start at 40mg ED till symptoms are gone, then run 20mg ED till end clomid therapy).

    *''* -- NOTE 5: You can use either of the long lasting esters of testosterone, Cypionate or Enanthate. The latter is easier to find.
    """ -- NOTE 6: See "NOTE 2" in OPTION I

    If you do the math on OPTIONS II and III, you'll find that there will be AS left over--you can taper the remaining amounts if you want to extend the cycle. Many people are probably going to tell you, just up the dose and change the time frame of the cycle so you won't have to taper. That will have to be your judgement call. I like to slowly ease into things that are going to affect the only body I have.
    Last edited by BASK8KACE; 08-25-2002 at 01:27 PM.

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