Do you have any questions about the Bible?

[Psychotron]

All this your son did to help prove that he was who he claimed to be, yet he was crucified. Wouldn’t that be a good place for you to cease major miracles?

I don't know if the "yet he was crucified" is a good excuse for the ceasing of miracles. It isn't as if this was something that wasn't going to happen, it had to be done. However, there is perhaps no more reason for miracles to occur now that it has happened.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Bible....gays and jews are going to hell?
so gay jews r completely ****ed! haha

and buddaists, and muslims, and everyone else is going to hell? just cuz they dont believe jesus is the "savior"? Whose to say whose right and wrong? your believing in something u cant prove and dont know. its as if the tooth fairy can be real?!?!

and why...why all the hatred in the world? why are innocent people dying, good people....why are little kids starving to death everyday(wheres jesus with his 5 fish now??)....for such a "kind and loving god", he sure is letting alot go. and dont say< "well man chooses to be that way"....so if may is choosing that, why isnt god stopping it if he knows its wrong? does man have more power than god?

also, if there was a god, Bush wouldnt be president! lol

[britbb]

Bible....gays and jews are going to hell?
so gay jews r completely ****ed! haha

and buddaists, and muslims, and everyone else is going to hell? just cuz they dont believe jesus is the "savior"? Whose to say whose right and wrong? your believing in something u cant prove and dont know. its as if the tooth fairy can be real?!?!

and why...why all the hatred in the world? why are innocent people dying, good people....why are little kids starving to death everyday(wheres jesus with his 5 fish now??)....for such a "kind and loving god", he sure is letting alot go. and dont say< "well man chooses to be that way"....so if may is choosing that, why isnt god stopping it if he knows its wrong? does man have more power than god?

also, if there was a god, Bush wouldnt be president! lol

Simple mate, these problems are man made problems, we created them, the world has enough resources however some people are greedy and have taken more resources than others...politics will go back to pre roman times, the current political world we have today can basically be accredited (or blamed) on the roman empire.

As for bush being president, he was elected...im guessing that the comment was a joke, however some people would actually say this...so think of the leaders that have been worse than bush, there are many...you are saying that these leaders should also have never been elected aswell...however how can we blame God for people that have risen to power in OUR OWN CULTURE...we cant...that is our fault.

I do believe in God, make no mistake, however i also question some of the bible, firstly because it is hard to tell which is allegorical/metaphorical and which is factual. But secondly because the way it has been 'edited' over years...the catholic church back in the middle ages and medieval times who would only speak in latin, who wanted firm control over the masses etc, corruption...and so the translations might have been edited to fit hidden agendas. However since the dead sea scrolls were found, i believe that they gave the first (first known) account of the bible and other information (it wouldve been the old testament) so at least we have an un edited copy of the old testament.

Whilst i choose to believe, i do not criticise or judge others who do not, this is their choice...we were created with free will and it is our own choice to execute our will as we please. However for us to ask the question 'Is there a God?' and to truly seek the answer whereby we totally prove yes or no...i think we are asking ourselves a totally impossible question that is completely beyond our own intelligence, our own abilities. It would be the equivalent of asking a slug to recite the whole of shakespeares plays backwards 20 times off by heart.

As humans we have limited intelligence and ability. We have discovered what we think is the 4th dimension, time, other than that we have no more intellect as far as spacetime is concerned...we have not understood the atom, we can not even begin to start explaining atomic structure that would even make up a mountain range (for instance), let alone a human. With this limited intelligence we are setting ourselves the task of answering the hardest question there is 'Is there a God?' Whatever created the universe (spacetime), Whoever, (if indeed it was created, perhaps it has been there and always will be there?) knows all the secrets of the universe, all the dimensions, all the matter, everything and is greater than everything...yet here we are with our lack of intelligence asking ourselves who/what created the universe, who/what is God? We can not even travel through time yet, so how can we begin to answer the hardest question ever? And lets say that factually God does exist (i believe in God, but lets say that he exists regardless of anyones beliefs) then who the fuk are we to try to prove that something that is infinitely greater and more powerful than anything anywhere exists or not? We are nothing and can not answer that question, maybe we shouldnt even ask the question lol because it is unanswerable.

The end of the story is that we need to live our lifes to the fullest and enjoy them as much as we can, whilst helping people along the way and giving what we can.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

The end of the story is that we need to live our lifes to the fullest and enjoy them as much as we can, whilst helping people along the way and giving what we can.

yeah, thats the way i see things.

just be a good person with good morals and you will end up in a good place


but, these problems are "man made"....why cant god do something about them? Does God not hold any power over man?..afterall he is omipotent
I dont wanna follow a god that just lets people kill each other and innocent kids starve, etc....
do u kinda see what im saying?

its like, if I contemplated killing someone, god would know that, cuz he is all knowing. And he sits up there as he watches me kill someone, without doing a thing...afterall, he could stop me for he is all powerful, but doesnt.
1, either man is more powerful than this god or
2, he is a pretty messed up guy for letting this go while he could do something bout it.

think about it...if u saw a girl about to get raped, you would jump in and help her out....but god wont....why

[britbb]

yeah, thats the way i see things.

just be a good person with good morals and you will end up in a good place


but, these problems are "man made"....why cant god do something about them? Does God not hold any power over man?..afterall he is omipotent
I dont wanna follow a god that just lets people kill each other and innocent kids starve, etc....
do u kinda see what im saying?

its like, if I contemplated killing someone, god would know that, cuz he is all knowing. And he sits up there as he watches me kill someone, without doing a thing...afterall, he could stop me for he is all powerful, but doesnt.
1, either man is more powerful than this god or
2, he is a pretty messed up guy for letting this go while he could do something bout it.

think about it...if u saw a girl about to get raped, you would jump in and help her out....but god wont....why

Yeah i see what you mean mate. I think i have an answer (although as a mere human i cant explain how God works), but one answer could be, it is stated that God shaped Adam like himself...now presumably this means with free will...Adam is free to do as he pleases. Hence when eve started to eat the forbidden fruit in the garden of eden and persuaded Adam to eat aswell, they were punished for their sins...yet they were free to make their own choice, Adam was misguided by eve, he was tempted.

In modern day scenarios, we could say that we have the free will to do as we please, (ie wage war, terrorism etc etc) however we then face the judgement from God later. We face the judgement of our actions.

So in the context of you killing someone...again...you have the free will to go and do it if you desire to, however you will then be judged by God when the time comes. (In the bible there is some direct intervention by God but at some times there is not)...lets take for instance the israelites (hebrews) who were slaves in egypt. God sent moses to release them from slavery and lead them to the 'promised land', there are many active direct interventions from God, such as the 10 plagues, such as the splitting of the red sea, such as moses' staff turning into a snake and eating the two of the pharoahs snakes.

So God seems to directly intervene to help his supposed 'chosen people'. However if we then look at what happens at jesus' crucifiction, God does not intervene to save jesus...why is this?

Perhaps for a purpose...we are told that Jesus died for us...he could have quite easily have remained living in human form, he certainly had the power to, or he could have had help from God. But in this case God did not intervene...now seeing as he intervened to save his 'chosen people' why would he not do so to save his son?

Was Jesus a test? Atest of our own free will, we obviously failed the test...however failure does not mean 'the end', we can learn from a failure of a test...if we learn from our mistakes then when God decides to intervene/appear in various forms...this is when our next test will be. Will we pass or will we fail?

Tbh in todays society i think we would fail the test again...we havent learned a fukin thing from it all.

We havent learnt a fukin thing from 2 world wars, from a holocaust, from napoleanic battles, from the roman empire etc etc...so how would we pass a test? We wont.

Maybe individuals might pass the test...and that is why i believe we are judged as an individual and given our reward or punishment...but as a group of people we havent learnt a thing.

Thats my take on it mate.

[magic32]

I see.

Yeah i see what you mean mate. I think i have an answer (although as a mere human i cant explain how God works),

True, we cannot know the very mind of God, or we’d be equal with Him. However, we can know and seek understanding of that which He’s chosen to reveal to us in His Word.

but one answer could be, it is stated that God shaped Adam like himself...now presumably this means with free will...Adam is free to do as he pleases. Hence when eve started to eat the forbidden fruit in the garden of eden and persuaded Adam to eat aswell, they were punished for their sins...yet they were free to make their own choice, Adam was misguided by eve, he was tempted.

In modern day scenarios, we could say that we have the free will to do as we please, (ie wage war, terrorism etc etc) however we then face the judgement from God later. We face the judgement of our actions.

AND THOUGHTS AS WELL:
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


So in the context of you killing someone...again...you have the free will to go and do it if you desire to, however you will then be judged by God when the time comes. (In the bible there is some direct intervention by God but at some times there is not)...lets take for instance the israelites (hebrews) who were slaves in egypt. God sent moses to release them from slavery and lead them to the 'promised land', there are many active direct interventions from God, such as the 10 plagues, such as the splitting of the red sea, such as moses' staff turning into a snake and eating the two of the pharoahs snakes.

So God seems to directly intervene to help his supposed 'chosen people'. However if we then look at what happens at jesus' crucifiction, God does not intervene to save jesus...why is this?

Perhaps for a purpose...we are told that Jesus died for us...he could have quite easily have remained living in human form, he certainly had the power to, or he could have had help from God. But in this case God did not intervene...now seeing as he intervened to save his 'chosen people' why would he not do so to save his son?
Was Jesus a test?

Save Jesus from what exactly? The cross?
That would be self-defeating, as Jesus (one third of the Godhead – the Word – the Son) agreed to come down and redeem us through His blood, death, and resurrection.
The only citation of Jesus’ weakness in this area, actually reaffirms His humanity or humanness. Take that with a grain of salt because as explained earlier…He was still fully God, but divested or limited Himself in order engage the human experience and be that half-man (so to speak) sacrifice.
Anyway, the only citation was when He prayed in the garden.

• Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].
  
• Mat 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

The cup being the task/cross/suffering before Him.
In summary the plan was conceived by God, so to save Jesus would be to disallow the execution of His own redemptive plan of salvation.

Atest of our own free will, we obviously failed the test...however failure does not mean 'the end', we can learn from a failure of a test...if we learn from our mistakes then when God decides to intervene/appear in various forms...this is when our next test will be. Will we pass or will we fail?

I’m a little confused by this question, so I’ll answer what I think your asking but please elaborate if I’m in error.
Our salvation is not a test. Adam lost us, Jesus came as the second Adam to redeem us.

• 1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
• 1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

The opportunity for right-standing with God is a gift that He went to great lengths to provide, making sure that everything was LEGAL (being born a baby as opposed to zapped down like Star Trek, coming via the proper bloodlines, fulfilling the prophecies, performing the miracles, the crucifixion, and resurrection). We either accept it or reject it, but it is fully His desire and intent (obviously) that we accept.

• Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Tbh in todays society i think we would fail the test again...we havent learned a fukin thing from it all.

We havent learnt a fukin thing from 2 world wars, from a holocaust, from napoleanic battles, from the roman empire etc etc...so how would we pass a test? We wont.

Maybe individuals might pass the test...and that is why i believe we are judged as an individual and given our reward or punishment...but as a group of people we havent learnt a thing.


Therefore it is much less a test, and much more an invitation!



Thats my take on it mate.

[magic32]

Interesting commentary.

yeah, thats the way i see things.

just be a good person with good morals and you will end up in a good place

But how do you come about that conclusion?
Likely, because it "seems or feels" right.

The problem here is that right and wrong become subjectively determined by each individual rather than a governing body such as one's parents, teachers, coach, the govt., or God. Self governance invariably leads to chaos…remember “Lord of the Flies”…Ralph and Jack?

but, these problems are "man made"....why cant god do something about them? Does God not hold any power over man?..afterall he is omnipotent

The best earthly fathers, although they love their children very much, permit a certain level of trial and error, learning through experience, and general autonomy.

So did God with Adam.
Adam sinned, in which case punishment is called for. However, there are times when punishment is not the way, but rather the experiencing of natural consequences, which is what God elected. Thus the troubled world around us.

I dont wanna follow a god that just lets people kill each other and innocent kids starve, etc....
do u kinda see what im saying?

There are two versions of God’s will. One is His desired will, in which case Adam would never have sinned but instead been obedient and prospered. Then there’s His permissive will, which allows for “Free Will” and as such accepts what man brings upon himself. To blame God for man’s sin would be an error.

• Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

its like, if I contemplated killing someone, god would know that, cuz he is all knowing. And he sits up there as he watches me kill someone, without doing a thing...afterall, he could stop me for he is all powerful, but doesnt.

This correlates with the preceding answer… but takes it a step further. Now you’re insinuating that death is a terrible thing, and in one sense it is. But in another it is merely the continuance of existence. So a “Free Will” choice is made to kill, and the victim passes on into eternity. The Bible speaks of it asleep until judgment.

• Luk 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.
• Jhn 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
• 1Cr 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
• 1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1, either man is more powerful than this god or
2, he is a pretty messed up guy for letting this go while he could do something bout it.

See above.

think about it...if u saw a girl about to get raped, you would jump in and help her out....but god wont....why

If God did supernaturally police the world like a divine Superman, how would he be permitting “Free Will” to exist?

He cannot allow man the opportunity to do good, w/o also making allowance for evil.

Or if He pre-empted crime as in the “Minority Report”, how could man be free to choose?

So, ”yes” rape and all other forms of unconsensual, self-imposed will upon another person are wrong, but they are all a matter of choice. To remove them would leave a “You can only do what I permit” reality.

John the Baptist, of whom Jesus said was the greatest man born unto women:

• Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

So what could have become of such man? John was beheaded:

• Mat 14:10 And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison.
• Mar 6:16 But when Herod heard [thereof], he said, It is John, whom I beheaded: he is risen from the dead.
• Luk 9:9 And Herod said, John have I beheaded: but who is this, of whom I hear such things? And he desired to see him.

Absalom:

• 2Sa 18:10 And a certain man saw [it], and told Joab, and said, Behold, I saw Absalom hanged in an oak.

Stephen was stoned to death:

• Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [God], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
• Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Jesus crucified / hanged on a tree
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• Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

We know this as the price of freedom!

[magic32]

Bible....gays and jews are going to hell?
so gay jews r completely ****ed! haha

and buddaists, and muslims, and everyone else is going to hell? just cuz they dont believe jesus is the "savior"? Whose to say whose right and wrong? your believing in something u cant prove and dont know. its as if the tooth fairy can be real?!?!

and why...why all the hatred in the world? why are innocent people dying, good people....why are little kids starving to death everyday(wheres jesus with his 5 fish now??)....for such a "kind and loving god", he sure is letting alot go. and dont say< "well man chooses to be that way"....so if may is choosing that, why isnt god stopping it if he knows its wrong? does man have more power than god?

also, if there was a god, Bush wouldnt be president! lol

Those are all good questions XXL, and they've all been answered.
You should take some time and read the thread.

[magic32]

I don't know if the "yet he was crucified" is a good excuse for the ceasing of miracles. It isn't as if this was something that wasn't going to happen, it had to be done. However, there is perhaps no more reason for miracles to occur now that it has happened.

Then you should consider all that God did prior to Christ in order to bring man back into right standing with Him while the Calvary plan was unfolding.

He required the blood of unblemished animals as a “SHOW OF GOOD FAITH” if you will. This blood symbol has always been God’s way to the remission of sins. It was always “BLOOD COVERS SIN” and later exclusively performed by the priest:

• Exd 30:10 And Aaron shall make an atonement upon the horns of it once in a year with the blood of the sin offering of atonements: once in the year shall he make atonement upon it throughout your generations: it [is] most holy unto the LORD.
  
• Lev 4:25 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put [it] upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood at the bottom of the altar of burnt offering.
• Lev 4:34 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put [it] upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar:
• Lev 5:9 And he shall sprinkle of the blood of the sin offering upon the side of the altar; and the rest of the blood shall be wrung out at the bottom of the altar: it [is] a sin offering.
• Lev 6:30 And no sin offering, whereof [any] of the blood is brought into the tabernacle of the congregation to reconcile [withal] in the holy [place], shall be eaten: it shall be burnt in the fire.
• Lev 16:15 Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that [is] for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
• Lev 16:27 And the bullock [for] the sin offering, and the goat [for] the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the holy [place], shall [one] carry forth without the camp; and they shall burn in the fire their skins, and their flesh, and their dung.
• 2Ch 29:24 And the priests killed them, and they made reconciliation with their blood upon the altar, to make an atonement for all Israel: for the king commanded [that] the burnt offering and the sin offering [should be made] for all Israel.
• Eze 45:19 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put [it] upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court.
• Hbr 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
• Hbr 13:11
• For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
• 1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

But note the last time these two words are intimately joined…Jesus’ blood as cleansing for all. This was the great and final sacrifice as He was both priest and lamb.

• Hbr 3:1Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
• 1Jo 1:7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

So having throughout the ages presented Himself (unsuccessfully mind you) to the world, the plan came to fruition. How now would showing Himself anymore, after all Christ did, be of any value?
I think you feel that if you could JUST SEE then you’d believe, and I fully understand this feeling but this is the "Doubting Thomas" stance, and as stated in the other post history continually proves this to be false. Even Jesus said:

• Jhn 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

[Psychotron]

Then you should consider all that God did prior to Christ in order to bring man back into right standing with Him while the Calvary plan was unfolding.

Well they way you put it, it's as if God the Father was bitter that his son died so he decided to stop doing miracles.

[magic32]

Well they way you put it, it's as if God the Father was bitter that his son died so he decided to stop doing miracles.

Not bitter, and not even fed up, but rather finished with revealing Himself in that way.

Have you ever worked on a report, or project and poured a lot of yourself into it? Eventually, there's nothing left to say in the report or do with the project, so you simply end or conclude it. Can't God be done with a certain part of His revelation to man in that same way?