Yeah i see what you mean mate. I think i have an answer (although as a mere human i cant explain how God works),
True, we cannot know the very mind of God, or we’d be equal with Him. However, we can know and seek understanding of that which He’s chosen to reveal to us in His Word.
but one answer could be, it is stated that God shaped Adam like himself...now presumably this means with free will...Adam is free to do as he pleases. Hence when eve started to eat the forbidden fruit in the garden of eden and persuaded Adam to eat aswell, they were punished for their sins...yet they were free to make their own choice, Adam was misguided by eve, he was tempted.
In modern day scenarios, we could say that we have the free will to do as we please, (ie wage war, terrorism etc etc) however we then face the judgement from God later.
We face the judgement of our actions.
AND THOUGHTS AS WELL:
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That
whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God,
and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
So in the context of you killing someone...again...you have the free will to go and do it if you desire to, however you will then be judged by God when the time comes. (In the bible there is some direct intervention by God but at some times there is not)...lets take for instance the israelites (hebrews) who were slaves in egypt. God sent moses to release them from slavery and lead them to the 'promised land', there are many active direct interventions from God, such as the 10 plagues, such as the splitting of the red sea, such as moses' staff turning into a snake and eating the two of the pharoahs snakes.
So God seems to directly intervene to help his supposed 'chosen people'. However if we then look at what happens at jesus' crucifiction, God does not intervene to save jesus...why is this?
Perhaps for a purpose...we are told that Jesus died for us...he could have quite easily have remained living in human form, he certainly had the power to, or he could have had help from God. But in this case God did not intervene...
now seeing as he intervened to save his 'chosen people' why would he not do so to save his son?
Was Jesus a test?
Save Jesus from what exactly? The cross?
That would be self-defeating, as Jesus (one third of the Godhead – the Word – the Son) agreed to come down and redeem us through His blood, death, and resurrection.
The only citation of Jesus’ weakness in this area, actually reaffirms His humanity or humanness. Take that with a grain of salt because as explained earlier…He was still fully God, but divested or limited Himself in order engage the human experience and be that half-man (so to speak) sacrifice.
Anyway, the only citation was when He prayed in the garden.
- Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].
- Mat 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
The cup being the task/cross/suffering before Him.
In summary the plan was conceived by God, so to save Jesus would be to disallow the execution of His own redemptive plan of salvation.
Atest of our own free will, we obviously failed the test...however failure does not mean 'the end', we can learn from a failure of a test...if we learn from our mistakes then when God decides to intervene/appear in various forms...this is when our next test will be. Will we pass or will we fail?
I’m a little confused by this question, so I’ll answer what I think your asking but please elaborate if I’m in error.
Our salvation is not a test. Adam lost us, Jesus came as the second Adam to redeem us.
- 1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
- 1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
The opportunity for right-standing with God is a gift that He went to great lengths to provide, making sure that everything was LEGAL (being born a baby as opposed to zapped down like Star Trek, coming via the proper bloodlines, fulfilling the prophecies, performing the miracles, the crucifixion, and resurrection). We either accept it or reject it, but it is fully His desire and intent (obviously) that we accept.
- Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Tbh in todays society i think we would fail the test again...we havent learned a fukin thing from it all.
We havent learnt a fukin thing from 2 world wars, from a holocaust, from napoleanic battles, from the roman empire etc etc...so how would we pass a test? We wont.
Maybe individuals might pass the test...and that is why i believe we are judged as an individual and given our reward or punishment...but as a group of people we havent learnt a thing.
Therefore it is much less a test, and much more an invitation!
Thats my take on it mate.
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