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    Thumbs down Got my bloodwork back today after 6 month cycle...

    Let me give you some history for those who didn't read the other thread about staying on for 6 months to a year... My last cycle was 6 months long, it consisted of basically 2 cycles back to back. First was Test Pro 75mg ED and Deca 500mg a week. 2nd Part of the cycle was 100mg of Test cyp ED and 75 mg of Tren Ace ED. My PCT consisted of the Anthony Roberts method started the day after last shot. I aslo did 5 weeks of IGF at 80mcg a day. I think that just about sums it all up so here it goes after the 6 month cycle, bloodwork was done 9 weeks after last shot. 3 weeks since PCT finished.

    T4, Free - Range .8 - 1.8 ng/dL - Mine 1.0

    TSH, 3rd Gen - Range .40 - 4.50 mIU/L - Mine 2.82

    Heterophile, Mono Screen - I came up negative

    Test Total (LC/MS/MS) - Range 250-1100 ng/dL - Mine 239L

    Test, Free % - Range 1.50-2.20% - Mine 2.00%

    Test, Free - Range 35.0 - 155.0 pg/mL - Mine - 47.8


    Thats all he tested for the first time. He said he wants more bloodwork to see my LH profile to see how he can "fix" me. What can I expect for him to try? Whats the best thing for me to do?

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    did you run HCG during your cycle? Running tren and deca that long will supress you really bad..Im a big believer of HCG during cycle..my last cycle was 22 weeks of prop/tren/masteron/primo/eq..not all simultaneously but I took 500 IU's of HCG once a week and I have never recovered more quickly from a cycle. My PCT was nolva and aromasin..25 days into PCT I had my blood work done and my test levels were 514!! Its been about 3 weeks since that blood work..I feel great and back to normal.. I suggest you try that next time..as for your bloodwork..get your estradiol, progesterone, prolactin, FSH, and LH hormone tested. A lot of times there is too much estrogen floating around keeping your test levels down. Your prolactin levels may be high too due to the extended period of deca and tren too

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    What were your gains on that cycle?

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    No HCG during cycle, but 500 IU ED for 3 weeks during PCT. I believe he is only testing LH. Thats all that was written down on my bloodwork paperwork.
    My next cycle, I'm thinkin of doing a 6 week long one. That way I can also recover from that one before my summertime cycle. Of course it depends on how much longer I have untill I recover from this one.

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    First part of it I gained 20lbs. Then when switching over to the tren and the prop getting out of my system lost 2 lbs (probally water) then gained 5 more lbs of lean muscle. Now 9 weeks after PCT, down 10 lbs... Not too bad, I guess.

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    ^^so a gain of 15lbs? Whats your stats?

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    5'8" 173lbs 2 months ago, 164-166 now. 23 yrs old. Been working out since 17 yrs old, started in my basement and been in a gym since 19. And before I start hearing the diet must be outta wack responses. Let me just say, some of us is a hard gainer... period. I used to eat 3000-3500 cals a day and now its 4000-4250 the last 2 months. (I am open to recipes by the way) You know how hard it is to eat that much... very.

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    So you were 5'8'' 150lbs before starting a six month cycle. I know you said "before I start hearing your diet is outta wack" but guess what, it is. You need to go back on pct to fix test levels, you need a lot of time off after that one. Nolva/aromasin should fix the problem.

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    Let me PM you my diet then and you tell me if its outta wack... I dont get why people just dont understand, we all cant be 200lbs naturally. Not only that what if I wasnt looking for that. I might be perfectly happy where I'm at. Another thing I love is the fact if your not 250lbs you get no respect and you must have no idea what your doing. Say even if my diet was 1000 calories a day... Does it make me less intelligent when it comes to what products to take, when to take them, what they do? I dont think so. You guys write ppl off and think they dont know anything just because they're not huge themselves.

    Edit: To further my point... Half the guys in the gym that are over 200lbs take juice yr round, eat like shit. I guess they're smarter then I since I cant get over 175lbs... when I started at 140.... Shame on me
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    Good boy , and well put. You have said alot of what manythink but never say. I am 5 -7 180 185 much older though and most of my years, have looked better than most of the tall guys. Because you weight over 200 dosen't mean you look good or that youn are strong or for that matter that you even know what you are doing. I have been in the gym since i was 19 (now 47) owned one for 15 of those and can say that i have seen all kinds and so many fit that description. Don't worry about it do your thing, but cycle smart, you need to take time off: time on = time off MIN.

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    Typical Day... (I have no regard for fat)

    Wake up 7 am - 5 eggs scrammbled w/ 2 pieces of toast, glass of milk

    Gym 8:30am- 9:30

    Post workout shake - 50 gram protien, carbo gainer, dextrose
    Post workout BCAA drink also.

    11am - usually whatever was for dinner the night before. Mashed potatoes, chicken, pasta.

    2pm - chicken sandwhich, egg salad sandwhich. not much but something

    now this is where it gets tuff, I start work at 2:15

    Anywhere between 3:30-4:30 I have a protein shake (RTD)

    6pm again it can be anything from above whatever I can my hands on I dont eat the same everyday so lets say chicken breast, rice, maybe some corn

    Between 8 and 9 pm another RTD protein shake

    Then when I get home at 10 its either a snack or depending how I feel maybe get a head start on what was for dinner that night (stealing from tomorrows meal)

    Bed at 11:30



    Your diet is not good, I'm sorry it just isn't, you act like I'm insulting your mother or something. I can't tell how many calories you are eating based on that info, so I don't see how you can. Nobody has a genetic limit of 150lbs, I just don't believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post

    Your diet is not good, I'm sorry it just isn't, you act like I'm insulting your mother or something. I can't tell how many calories you are eating based on that info, so I don't see how you can. Nobody has a genetic limit of 150lbs, I just don't believe it.

    Uh yeah. The truth hurts, dont it?

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    Why 6 month cycle? You will gain better with breaks in between. You must either do low dose test maintanence cruising or take breaks all together.

    Honestly it sounds like you were pissed off being 150lb and decided to try to go "all-in". You should use better strategies and planning for your health and gains sake

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    Damn mike, youre gigantic.

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    First off, thanks to Map for atleast some support.Now I know I reacted a little harse before. As for all the other ppl that say you dont eat enough I want to see your diet. (no really, let me see your typical day and let me compare) I am willing to gaurantee I eat more then you guys do. How is that? Its called metaloblism amoung other things, maybe you sit on your ass at work. While I work in constrution constantly burning cals. NOT EVERYONE CAN WEIGH 200lbs natural. I'm not even looking to weigh 200lbs while on the juice. Believe me I stuff my face as best I can. Both as heathly as I can and in quantity. If I was to lie and say I was 5'8 195 while off juice does that make me an elligable contributor to this board but since I'm not, I'm still a nobody... Sounds fair.

    Why a 6th month cycle? It was more the case of bad timing and planning then me "being sick of being 150lbs..." I loved that one.

    One last thing, How can you say my diet sucks but not have a reason other then you cant tell how many calories. What do I gotta do put my food on a scale and measure out everytime I eat. You're outta your mind, I do have another life other then the gym.

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    i work construction all day long as well, and by eating i got to 220 pounds at 5'10" naturally...i used to think i ate so much too, til i broke it down and really saw it was bad...your diet is the problem

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    Ok help me out then, What am I doing wrong? All I'm hearing is its wrong, but how? Quit my job and just sit home and eat every 15 min No really tho, I'm not always an asshole, help me out then bro. Whats your typical day look like? Where did you start? 200lbs? And by "natural" did you honestly NEVER juice to reach 220lbs?

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    i'm 22 years old, and i got to around 215 natural...i did my first test cycle at the beginning of 07, and gained good even though my diet wasn't what it should have been, but when i got off, i did a shitty pct and went back to what i started out...then i worked w/ a buddy on a nutrition program and i got back to 223 which is where i am, and i'm just now starting another cycle....i wish that i knew about diet in the past what i do now...it makes it harder w/ work...i get a good meal in the morning, then it's hard for me to get one around 10:00...i thought about getting some of those protein shots just for the 10 meal...then i eat as good as i can on the job at 12, then as soon as i get home from work which varies, i'll eat again good meats...then before i head to the gym i'll get one shake in...another after the gym, w some whole food as well, then before i go to bed, i like to consume 3 cans of tuna, and 32oz of skim milk

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    it's not a perfect diet but with working on different construction sites during the day every day it's hard to get 4 or 5 meals in like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeAHellYeah View Post
    Ok help me out then, What am I doing wrong? All I'm hearing is its wrong, but how? Quit my job and just sit home and eat every 15 min No really tho, I'm not always an asshole, help me out then bro. Whats your typical day look like? Where did you start? 200lbs? And by "natural" did you honestly NEVER juice to reach 220lbs?
    Heres mine for example..this is me trying to add mass..

    10am: 12 jumbo eggwhites (1 yolk) 1.5 cup oatmeal
    12pm: 9oz chicken breast, 12 oz sweet potato
    2:30pm: 9oz chicken breast, 1.5 cup oatmeal
    5pm: 10oz tilapia, 12 oz sweet potato
    7:30pm: 12 jumbo eggwhites, 1.5 cup oatmeal
    9:30 (pwo shake) 60g whey, 60g dextrose
    11:00pm 8oz chicken, 1 cup oats

    Sumthin like that

    And no, I do not sit around and eat every 15 minutes. I keep this same diet when I am working...and presently I am away from my apt for 5-6 hours during this..I bring my food with me.

    Saying, "I can't get any bigger than 150lbs" is a crutch.

    I have a friend that was your height and 150 and we got him to 190. Still natural as well....took about 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeAHellYeah View Post
    Ok help me out then, What am I doing wrong? All I'm hearing is its wrong, but how? Quit my job and just sit home and eat every 15 min No really tho, I'm not always an asshole, help me out then bro. Whats your typical day look like? Where did you start? 200lbs? And by "natural" did you honestly NEVER juice to reach 220lbs?
    Listen, these guys are trying to give you advice to help you. It may not be what you want to hear but it’s the truth! You how be heavier if you were eating properly simple as that!

    You should not go near juice at 150lbs, you have a lot of mass to gain naturally. And it is your diet that is the problem, there is no debiting that, if you are eating excess calories you will gain weight simple as that regardless of how fast your metabolism is.

    And to answer your question it is very possible to reach 220lbs without steroids. I was over 200lbs at 18 years old and I’m not naturally big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by football2007 View Post
    Heres mine for example..this is me trying to add mass..

    10am: 12 jumbo eggwhites (1 yolk) 1.5 cup oatmeal
    12pm: 9oz chicken breast, 12 oz sweet potato
    2:30pm: 9oz chicken breast, 1.5 cup oatmeal
    5pm: 10oz tilapia, 12 oz sweet potato
    7:30pm: 12 jumbo eggwhites, 1.5 cup oatmeal
    9:30 (pwo shake) 60g whey, 60g dextrose
    11:00pm 8oz chicken, 1 cup oats

    Sumthin like that

    And no, I do not sit around and eat every 15 minutes. I keep this same diet when I am working...and presently I am away from my apt for 5-6 hours during this..I bring my food with me.

    Saying, "I can't get any bigger than 150lbs" is a crutch.

    I have a friend that was your height and 150 and we got him to 190. Still natural as well....took about 2 years.
    man are you getting sick of oats?You eat like my brother and hes a horse. lol

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    Also let me just recap on you cycle results. Over the 6 month cycle you gained a total of 23lbs (would have been 25 but you dropped 2lbs in the middle) since coming off you have dropped 10lbs so a total gain of 13lbs off of a 6 month cycle (note this is now 9 weeks after your PCT) so to be more accurate you have gained 13lbs over 8 – 9 months.

    I’m sorry to say it because you are getting enough shitt about your diet but at your stats gaining 13lbs over an 8 – 9 month period could have been done without using gear, assuming your diet was good of coarse

    Stop taking it so personally, the guys on here giving you advice (myself included) pointing out your diet is no good are not doing it to piss you off. It’s for your own good. Once you accept your diet is the problem we can then start to work on improving it or you can continue to argue that your diet is not the problem and waste our efforts in trying to help you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycerious View Post
    man are you getting sick of oats?You eat like my brother and hes a horse. lol
    lol naw I like em

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    Ok say my diet is the problem. I never tried to say it was perfect. I was just trying to get my point across. I eat as much as I can during my day. Look at mine compared to the other guys. I eat more then he does, may not be as healthy but how much does that matter when your burning the fat anyways. Most people can put weight on eating like that, one shake a day. I can only wish. I need some sort of high calorie meals not 1 chicken and oatmeal. Am I wrong in saying that?

    I know that you guys are trying to help and all. But like I said before, its not like I eat Mcdonalds and red bulls all day. I've been upping my calories with no results in weight increase. Is it possible to need to eat 5000 calories a day to put weight on? That sounds ridiculous.

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    yeah dude i got to 198 pounds
    90 kg = 198 lbs

    i used lots of creatine so i was holding alot of water
    i just started to cycle now i am 224 pounds and imagine id get to 250-270 then cut

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    considering your cicle, I pe;rsonally think your bloodwork result great

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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeAHellYeah View Post
    Look at mine compared to the other guys. I eat more then he does, may not be as healthy but how much does that matter when your burning the fat anyways.
    I certainly hope you aren't talking about the one I laid out.

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    First off all I'm not here to debate who's diet has more calories. I truly appreciate the advice guys on my diet, I'm going to work on that. I'm accepting any PM's from anyone who was a HARDGAINER and willing to let me know which diet worked for them. Now can we please get back to my bloodwork. I just got back from getting more drawn to check out my LH. What can I expect my doc to try to "fix" me? He's not going to try to put me on test for life is he? I hope not. I'm just trying to prepare myself on what he might do.

    Edit: Thanks Noob, I also thought it was pretty good. Especially since I didnt run any HCG during the cycle. It'd be pretty sweet if my doc hooked me up with some tho...
    Last edited by GimmeAHellYeah; 12-05-2007 at 09:07 AM.

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    Does your doc know you have been using steroids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by football2007 View Post
    I certainly hope you aren't talking about the one I laid out.
    I hope so too cause that's a hell of a diet and alot more calories than his diet.

    GimmeAHellYeah, if you want a simple high calorie meal to take with you on the site try two scoops of whey protein (your choice on the brand), 1 cup oatmeal (plain oatmeal ground up) and a tablespoon of olive oil. Mix all that into a shaker with about 16 ounces of water and you've got a meal. If I'm out all day I'll bring like three of those in a cooler, but don't neglect your whole food meals which should still make up 3-4 meals. Hope that helps a little.

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    Thanks for the meal replacement shake. As for my doc, No he does not know about me using steriods. Atleast not yet, he hasnt even asked actually... What would you guys say to him if or when he does ask?

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    wtf, you shouldn't have even been doing roids.

    15lbs for 6 months of cycling steroids, along with igf & hgh is not right.

    ive been lifting 7 years and researching AAS for 2 years i still havnt cycled yet, im still learning new things everyday.

    im sorry to say you brought this on yourself bro.

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    7 years of research and only 6 posts. I love it. Thanks for your important bit of info on the subject tho. I appreciate it. And where did you get HGH from, never used it and dont plan on it for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeAHellYeah View Post
    7 years of research and only 6 posts. I love it. Thanks for your important bit of info on the subject tho. I appreciate it. And where did you get HGH from, never used it and dont plan on it for a long time.
    no, i said ive been training for 7 years, researching steroids for 2 years.

    you think this is the only website that gives infomation on steroids?

    meh, get your diet/routine in check, you've probably messed up your natural test production for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongTimeLifter View Post
    no, i said ive been training for 7 years, researching steroids for 2 years.

    you think this is the only website that gives infomation on steroids?

    meh, get your diet/routine in check, you've probably messed up your natural test production for life.
    i wouldnt go that far..i just came of a 6 month cycle and my natty test was recovered in less than 30 days and Ive actually gained 10 lbs since I came off my cycle 2 months ago!!! I already commented on my thoughts about his bloodwork earlier too

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    LongTimeLifter, steroids SPEED UP your natural muscle building, the reason ppl take them is to look big in their 20's and not after 50 years of training when they are 70 year olds who watch martha stewart ...

    So while you do need to know what ur doing, and how to train, and how your individial body reacts to different types of stimulus, you dont HAVE to wait decades to use them.

    They are not even that dangerous,drinking beer 3xweek will probably be more harmful to you than a test only cycle.

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    My bad on the 7 years of research comment. But these guys are right 6 months on, the right PCT = not being shut down for life. People go on for years and eventually get they're natural test back in order. Might take a long time but it'll happen. I guess you should have been on this site instead of the others researching the wrong information...

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    Oh yeah, longhorn, I've been meaning to ask, you said 25 days INTO PCT you had bloodwork. Wouldnt the AI and SERM effect your test results by raising them? Or did you mean after PCT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GimmeAHellYeah View Post
    Is it possible to need to eat 5000 calories a day to put weight on? That sounds ridiculous.
    i gotta eat about 6000cals a day just to get to around 210ish. you may think your eating alot, but obviously since your still 166lbs (and thats after cycling test/deca and tren for 6 months straight!) you are not. start eating more. not gainin weight?! then eat even more. at your stage gaining weight is actually alot simpler than a 6 month cycle.

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