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[Kärnfysikern]

No one is denouncing all scietific research but there are those of us who think it should be eithical research and will vote accordingly.

But in what way does "unethical" research effect you? Let say hypothethicaly that embryonic stem cell research can cure a disease Im dying of, do you have any right to oppose a science that might have a direct impact on my life just because you find it unethical?

What about other areas of science, what about implants, cloning, longlivety treatment ect. You will always find someone that considers something unethical. Especialy those that run around saying we "shouldnt tamper with nature". Aslong as a research project doesnt hurt anyone unwillingly I dont se why anyone should try to stop it.

[RA]

There has to be a line. I could go kill 1000 innocent people and figure out how to fix spine injuries. One could argue that those 1000 would save millions but I dont think like that.

I disagree with abortion 100% and to me hacking up embryos for stem cells is unethical. Its not even a religious thing...its a common sense thing.

It doesnt matter that it doesnt affect me. If I see the neighbor bashing his kids head against the wall Im going to go stop it because its the right thing to do.

But in what way does "unethical" research effect you? Let say hypothethicaly that embryonic stem cell research can cure a disease Im dying of, do you have any right to oppose a science that might have a direct impact on my life just because you find it unethical?

What about other areas of science, what about implants, cloning, longlivety treatment ect. You will always find someone that considers something unethical. Especialy those that run around saying we "shouldnt tamper with nature". Aslong as a research project doesnt hurt anyone unwillingly I dont se why anyone should try to stop it.

[Kärnfysikern]

There has to be a line. I could go kill 1000 innocent people and figure out how to fix spine injuries. One could argue that those 1000 would save millions but I dont think like that.

I disagree with abortion 100% and to me hacking up embryos for stem cells is unethical. Its not even a religious thing...its a common sense thing.

It doesnt matter that it doesnt affect me. If I see the neighbor bashing his kids head against the wall Im going to go stop it because its the right thing to do.

Well killing innocent people is denying them their freedom to live. That research project obviously hurts someone.

But how can for example weapons research be ethical while embryonic stem cell research isnt? One is done with the pure intention of hurting someone, the other is done to save lifes and cure diseases.

[RA]

Abortion denies those people their freedom to live as well. Its like saying we killed those 1000 people and that was wrong but now that they are dead lets cut them up for research. Its wrong.

I dont believe there is anything wrong with defending yourself against those who are attacking or would attack you.

Well killing innocent people is denying them their freedom to live. That research project obviously hurts someone.

But how can for example weapons research be ethical while embryonic stem cell research isnt? One is done with the pure intention of hurting someone, the other is done to save lifes and cure diseases.

[Kärnfysikern]

Abortion denies those people their freedom to live as well. Its like saying we killed those 1000 people and that was wrong but now that they are dead lets cut them up for research. Its wrong.

I dont believe there is anything wrong with defending yourself against those who are attacking or would attack you.

Well we are never going to anywhere in a abortion and embryo discussion But let me ask you this, if you had a sick child that could be cured by a method using embryonic stem cells, would you say no thanks? Because that is realy the bottom line.

[RA]

Not a fair question I think. Its like asking you if your wife/child were dying and all you had to do was go kill someone what would you do?

Well we are never going to anywhere in a abortion and embryo discussion But let me ask you this, if you had a sick child that could be cured by a method using embryonic stem cells, would you say no thanks? Because that is realy the bottom line.

[Dagron]

So thus far we have determined that, to our knowledge, the universe may have been created by an explosion... I fail to see what this has to do with ID versus evolution, which is the real subject most would take issue with. Whether or not a big bang occurred is irrelevant to the idea of evolution or ID, as it neither proves nor disproves either idea

[mcpeepants]

There has to be a line. I could go kill 1000 innocent people and figure out how to fix spine injuries. One could argue that those 1000 would save millions but I dont think like that.

I disagree with abortion 100% and to me hacking up embryos for stem cells is unethical. Its not even a religious thing...its a common sense thing.

It doesnt matter that it doesnt affect me. If I see the neighbor bashing his kids head against the wall Im going to go stop it because its the right thing to do.

Unless every "pro-life" woman is going to become the mother to this left over embryos at fertility clinics, they are essentially going to wind up in the trash. At least try advancing are medical knowledge instead from this embryos instead of tossing them in the heap.

[RA]

If you dont get my point through the posts Ive written already then there is no explaining it to you.

Unless every "pro-life" woman is going to become the mother to this left over embryos at fertility clinics, they are essentially going to wind up in the trash. At least try advancing are medical knowledge instead from this embryos instead of tossing them in the heap.

[mcpeepants]

If you dont get my point through the posts Ive written already then there is no explaining it to you.

If the embryos are not used, they will be thrown away. What do you want to be done with the left over embryos?

[RA]

I want them to be left in their mothers.

If the embryos are not used, they will be thrown away. What do you want to be done with the left over embryos?

[Dagron]

Evolution is more of a cult religion than any traditional religion; it requires faith to believe in since it has no real scientific evidence for the 'theory', and it st***es alternative views by masquerading as scientific through the public education system. I have a very serious problem with the idea being taught as fact, but not necessarily so if it is taught as a possible explanation, much as a student in a sociology course would study Marxism as a form of government and societal system.

The difference here is that evolution is, or was at least some 8 years ago when it was crammed down my throat, taught as if it were scientific fact; that a big bang and then an indescribably large slew of 1 in a trillion events over billions of years has brought us to modern day, and that the very idea of anything less is preposterous. That, to me, is whacky, nutty, and irresponsible, not the possibility of intelligent design.

[RA]

Thats why they call it a theory

Evolution is more of a cult religion than any traditional religion; it requires faith to believe in since it has no real scientific evidence for the 'theory', and it st***es alternative views by masquerading as scientific through the public education system. I have a very serious problem with the idea being taught as fact, but not necessarily so if it is taught as a possible explanation, much as a student in a sociology course would study Marxism as a form of government and societal system.

The difference here is that evolution is, or was at least some 8 years ago when it was crammed down my throat, taught as if it were scientific fact; that a big bang and then an indescribably large slew of 1 in a trillion events over billions of years has brought us to modern day, and that the very idea of anything less is preposterous. That, to me, is whacky, nutty, and irresponsible, not the possibility of intelligent design.

[Kärnfysikern]

Evolution is more of a cult religion than any traditional religion; it requires faith to believe in since it has no real scientific evidence for the 'theory', and it st***es alternative views by masquerading as scientific through the public education system. I have a very serious problem with the idea being taught as fact, but not necessarily so if it is taught as a possible explanation, much as a student in a sociology course would study Marxism as a form of government and societal system.

The difference here is that evolution is, or was at least some 8 years ago when it was crammed down my throat, taught as if it were scientific fact; that a big bang and then an indescribably large slew of 1 in a trillion events over billions of years has brought us to modern day, and that the very idea of anything less is preposterous. That, to me, is whacky, nutty, and irresponsible, not the possibility of intelligent design.

Well what is more wacy and nutty is to totaly disregard all observational evidence for both evolution and big bang simply because you dislike the theories. You make it sounds like scientists choose to "belive" in those theories. In reality they are doing their best to disprove them but the theories end up with the upper hand each time. That is how science works, test theory with experiment/observation. If it fits continue with new tests, it it doesnt fit throw the theory in the trashcan.

Let me guess your not that fond of relativity either? What about quantum mechanics?