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breaking news: Roger Clemens will be named in the report....his personal trainer ratted him out- says he gave him steroids while he was w/the yanks and before....whats ironic is i just saw a commercial with roger clemens w/his kid on a rollercoaster and clemens is braggin about how he has struck out 20 batters TWICE and w/e w/e...but now they're saying he might not get into the hall of fame.....their will be a lot more names listed today at 2 pm eastern time
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now andy pettite, you schmucks should turn on ESPN lol this is insane...
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The "general public" believes that steroids are so taboo. I've spoken to several people on this subject and i can't believe how naive they are. I'm glad Clemens is going to get busted. Hate that pompous ass!!
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who you calling a Schmuck, dick face...Originally Posted by qualityclrk1
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to who it may concern, this is probably going to spark another match under the ass of congress and my money is on another round up of UGs and sources
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ESPN is currently reporting on the investigation of steroids in baseball.
Head of investigation George Mitchell, "Each of the 30 clubs had a player or players involved in taking illegal substances".
Also, current MLB steroids urine tests does not test for GH.
i'm sure some of you out there still like seeing homeruns... what do you think of all this?
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Its on every tv station, labeled as breaking news!!!!! Just let it rest, if you wanna go after these players do it quietly, no need to broadcast it to the world. Its just an excuse for some of these politicians to get tv time and show how powerful they are. Some of the players are retired and now they are going to release there names, that is a shame...
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its just sports, i dont see how the government has the right to interfere with it.
there are more pressing issues in the world than a baseball player doing juice.
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We all know the government doesn't give a shit about what issue presses more. They'd rather bust juicers than stop other REAL and more immediate problems.its just sports, i dont see how the government has the right to interfere with it.
there are more pressing issues in the world than a baseball player doing juice.
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Clemens, Bonds, Tejada named in Mitchell Report
By RONALD BLUM, AP Baseball Writer
December 13, 2007
Baltimore Orioles' Miguel Tejada follows through on a single against the Toronto Blue Jays during the fourth inning of a baseball game in Baltimore, in this Sept. 25, 2007 file photo..
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NEW YORK (AP) -- Roger Clemens, Miguel Tejada and Andy Pettitte were named in the long-awaited Mitchell Report on Thursday, an All-Star roster linked to steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs that put a question mark -- if not an asterisk -- next to some of baseball's biggest moments.
Barry Bonds, already under indictment on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about steroids, and Gary Sheffield also showed up in baseball's most infamous lineup since the Black Sox scandal.
The report culminated a 20-month investigation by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, hired by commissioner Bud Selig to examine the Steroids Era.
"Everyone involved in baseball over the past two decades -- commissioners, club officials, the players' association and players -- shares to some extent the responsibility for the steroids era," Mitchell said. "There was a collective failure to recognize the problem as it emerged and to deal with it early on."
Eric Gagne, Jason Giambi, Troy Glaus, Gary Matthews Jr., Jose Guillen, Brian Roberts, Paul Lo Duca and Rick Ankiel were among other current players named in the report. Some were linked to Human Growth Hormone, others to steroids.
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Clemens was singled out in nearly nine pages, with much of the information on the seven-time Cy Young Award winner coming from former New York Yankees major league strength and conditioning coach Brian McNamee. More than a dozen Yankees, past and present, were among the 75-plus players identified.
"According to McNamee, from the time that McNamee injected Clemens with Winstrol through the end of the 1998 season, Clemens' performance showed remarkable improvement," the report said. "During this period of improved performance, Clemens told McNamee that the steroids 'had a pretty good effect' on him."
McNamee also told investigators that "during the middle of the 2000 season, Clemens made it clear that he was ready to use steroids again. During the latter part of the regular season, McNamee injected Clemens in the buttocks four to six times with testosterone from a bottle labeled either Sustanon 250 or Deca-Durabolin."
Mitchell urged Selig to hold off on punishing players in the report "except in those cases where he determines that the conduct is so serious that discipline is necessary to maintain the integrity of the game."
Several stars named in the report could pay the price in Cooperstown, much the way Mark McGwire was kept out of the Hall of Fame this year merely because of steroids suspicion.
"Former commissioner Fay Vincent told me that the problem of performance-enhancing substances may be the most serious challenge that baseball has faced since the 1919 Black Sox scandal," Mitchell said in the 409-page report.
"The illegal use of anabolic steroids and similar substances, in Vincent's view, is 'cheating of the worst sort.' He believes that it is imperative for Major League Baseball to 'capture the moral high ground' on the issue and, by words and deeds, make it clear that baseball will not tolerate the use of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs."
Kevin Brown, Benito Santiago, Lenny Dykstra, Chuck Knoblauch, David Justice and Mo Vaughn were among former players named.
"We identify some of the players who were caught up in this drive to gain a competitive advantage," the report said. "Other investigations will no doubt turn up more names and fill in more details, but that is unlikely to significantly alter the description of baseball's `steroids era' as set forth in this report."
Mitchell is a director of the Boston Red Sox, and some questioned whether that created a conflict.
"Judge me by my work," Mitchell said. "You will not find any evidence of bias, special treatment, for the Red Sox or anyone else. That had no effect on this investigation or this report, none whatsoever."
Giambi, under threat of discipline from Selig, was the only current player known to have cooperated with the Mitchell investigation.
"The players' union was largely uncooperative for reasons that I thought were largely understandable," Mitchell said.
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haha on ESPN they are sayin stuff like he injected himself once or twice during the 2000 season.. that wouldnt even effect you just injecting 1 or 2 times and they sed the same thing about hgh.. that definately wouldnt impact nething.. these reporters know nuthing its kind of amusing..
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yea..... i like how it say 5 or 6 shots in the but .....
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They have the full report on espn's website. I just skimmed through it, it has some unbelievable stuff in there.
CHEMICALLY ENGINEERED
arent kids starving all over the world?
and the war...death
and pollution
and racism/sexism
....OH MY GOD AND HOW COULD I FORGET!?!? STEROIDS!!!...now that should be the #1 problem/issue in the world....
geez......
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this is the state of american people right now (taken from a comment on the story off yahoo):
"I think that everyone named in the Mitchell Report should be tortured in Guantanamo.
As we all know, since our President has told us so, if you take drugs you are helping Al Queda and the terrorists. That makes everyone on the list an enemy combatent, without civil liberties or Geneva Convention rights.
The same is true for any American who has ever smoked (a rec. drug not to be named here), drank alcohol before they were twenty-one, or took more than the prescribed dose of a medicine."
people r fvcking blind apparently to the abundance of much more important issues out there.
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lol I think that comment was supposed to be dramatic sarcasm...
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heres the link to the whole document
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphic...hellreport.pdf
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Don't know if its true but someone told me Mitchel is also a consultant for the Red Sox
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yeah i read that too.. but he sed it had no bearing on his research and he is going to talk about everyone no matter what team they are on.. or something to that effect...
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damn i didn't know that.......for some reason i don't feel like it did matter- i don't think he was being prejudice against the yankee's and tried to expose everyone else....but it could leave some conspiracy nuts out there to ponder why David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez didn't happen to show up on the list.....Curt Schilling maybe?
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Okay, maybe steroids in baseball isn't the biggest issue Americans have on their plate (pun intended), but let's face it, between television advertising and merchandise, MLB is a multibillion-dollar industry. It is the government's responsibility to ensure fair competition, just as it would in banking, telecom or any other big business.
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Kerazy.. Baseball is going downhill anyway.. does anyone even watch baseball anymore??
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footballs all juice ... and no one seems to care......
i cant wait until golf and steroids .....
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Already been done:
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/new...v=ap&type=lgns
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The government doesn't have the implied powers to do half of the shit it does and now you want give them the power to take over sports? We may as well institute a ****ing monarchy.
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Sorry guys, the yahoo sports article on steroids in Golf isnt up anymore. Here's another article on a different site:
http://www.golfdigest.com/magazine/2...lftechsteroids
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yes I agree its total BS the federal government has no real power or jurisdiction to do most of the stuff they do but noone stops them... so we are beat =P
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lol, golfers juicing.
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"I know -- I know -- there are golfers who are doing something, whether it's HGH or creatine or steroids. I know for a fact some golfers are doing it."
-- Gary Player
XZOMG AND THEY MIGHT BE USING CREATINE TOOO!!!!!1211oneone!eoneone!!@!!!11eleventynine
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exactly what i was thinking.
Gary Player is just out for attention
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they pick on steroids in sports as it is an easy target, and grabs headlines. Therefore, it makes the government feel and look better to the public every year.
"yes, you very well might get mugged on your doorstep....
Yes, you may well have no job and the traffic is crazy, as 11 million immigrants have moved in next door...
Ofcourse, we are all in danger of being blown up at any given moment...
But boy, we sure busted those athletes on steroids.. sheesh, they didnt see us coming"
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that i disagree with completely..... The government (an ex senate majority leader) should have bigger things on his plate than worrying about which baseball players were on juice. Baseball players play for OUR entertainment. They're entertainers. If local police wanna nail them for juicing in their jurisdiction then fine.......but i'd be shitty as hell if i was playing for my american legion team, and the mayor of my city came down and said i have taken "performance enhancing substance" w/no proof....i'd sue the shit out of him guilty or not, for deprivation of character...
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I blame that looser Jose Canseco and everyone who read his crappy book
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Hit the nail on the head!!!
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yeah, hes a douche bag
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who you calling a Schmuck, dick face...
hahaha
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I thought his book shed a positive light on steroids?
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i cant tell if you're being sarcastic or not lol.
Hes a douche bag because he outed a ton of his 'bros' in a book and tarnished their reps for the sake of publicity. he made a ton of money to their expense, and the media ate it up
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No i'm not sarcastic. I haven't read his book but i've read about it on wikipedia and apparently he made steroids look safe when used properly in his book.
I had no idea about the reputation tarnishing.
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i read the book...interesting book talking about the lives of guys and stuff but should have outted people especially his friends.. but i own his wifes book.. she is sexy as hell...jessica canseco..
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