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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13 View Post
    I have nevr heard of Madelyn, what did she do?
    She is(was) a bitter ugly old woman that wanted to be a lawyer but could never pass the bar. She had multiply kids from mulitple men and hated everyone and everything(like your typical athiest) and blamed the worlds problems on religion. She joined the communist party and decided to take on the school prayer. She used her son as a tool to do so. In Baltimore, MD the public schools began the day with an optional bible reading which her son was not allowed to do because his mother(Madelyn) would not let him. The bitter old hag didn't think any of the kids should be allowed to read from the bible and filed a suit to ban the bible from the schools, it was rejected again and again until it reached the Supreme Court which then ruled in her favor and effectively banned school prayer in all public schools(Murray v. Curlett).

    Even by liberal standards she was a nutcase, she fought to have sex education in schools including teaching 6th graders to have sex. She fought to remove, "One nation under God" from all money, banning the pladge of aligence, she assualted 5 cops after she kidnapped a little girl to "save her" from religious parents and she founded the American Athiest where one of the members, the manager and 2 other members kidnapped her, tortured her and then murdered her and 2 of her kids. The group blamed Christians until her dismembered body was found many years later. Her living son has converted to Christianity and describes his mother, Madalynn as a witch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    She is(was) a bitter ugly old woman that wanted to be a lawyer but could never pass the bar. She had multiply kids from mulitple men and hated everyone and everything(like your typical athiest) and blamed the worlds problems on religion. She joined the communist party and decided to take on the school prayer. She used her son as a tool to do so. In Baltimore, MD the public schools began the day with an optional bible reading which her son was not allowed to do because his mother(Madelyn) would not let him. The bitter old hag didn't think any of the kids should be allowed to read from the bible and filed a suit to ban the bible from the schools, it was rejected again and again until it reached the Supreme Court which then ruled in her favor and effectively banned school prayer in all public schools(Murray v. Curlett).

    Even by liberal standards she was a nutcase, she fought to have sex education in schools including teaching 6th graders to have sex. She fought to remove, "One nation under God" from all money, banning the pladge of aligence, she assualted 5 cops after she kidnapped a little girl to "save her" from religious parents and she founded the American Athiest where one of the members, the manager and 2 other members kidnapped her, tortured her and then murdered her and 2 of her kids. The group blamed Christians until her dismembered body was found many years later. Her living son has converted to Christianity and describes his mother, Madalynn as a witch.
    I honestly thought that the person in the middle of Tock's avatar picture was a man. Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13 View Post
    I honestly thought that the person in the middle of Tock's avatar picture was a man. Wow.
    LoL!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13 View Post
    I honestly thought that the person in the middle of Tock's avatar picture was a man. Wow.
    You know whats funny is when she was married she got pregant by another man(not her husband) that was also married. She wanted the guy to get divorce and marry her. He refused because he was Catholic and did not believe in divorce, she was outraged and thats when she became so anti-religious. The nutcase legally changed her name anyway to the guys name she wanted to marry, Murray. There's always a story behind the anti-religious zealots and why they hate religion so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    She is(was) a bitter ugly old woman that wanted to be a lawyer but could never pass the bar. She had multiply kids from mulitple men and hated everyone and everything(like your typical athiest) and blamed the worlds problems on religion. She joined the communist party and decided to take on the school prayer. She used her son as a tool to do so. In Baltimore, MD the public schools began the day with an optional bible reading which her son was not allowed to do because his mother(Madelyn) would not let him. The bitter old hag didn't think any of the kids should be allowed to read from the bible and filed a suit to ban the bible from the schools, it was rejected again and again until it reached the Supreme Court which then ruled in her favor and effectively banned school prayer in all public schools(Murray v. Curlett).
    It's evident you've neither read her autobiography nor knew her personally. On top of that, you don't know the circumstances of Murray v. Curlett. In that case, the Baltimore School District required Madelyn's son to bow his head reverentially and pray the Lord's Prayer. It was not optional; he had to do it, or else suffer detention. Madelyn asked the school district to excuse her son since he was an atheist, but they refused. So, the lawsuit was filed, and the rest is history.

    If you're gonna dump on a poor dead woman, you might at least consider getting the issues right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    If you're gonna dump on a poor dead woman, you might at least consider getting the issues right.
    let me quote her own son, "My mother was an evil person... Not for removing prayer from America's schools... No, she was just evil. She stole huge amounts of money. She misused the trust of people. She cheated children out of their parents' inheritance. She cheated on her taxes and even stole from her own organizations. She once printed up phony stock certificates on her own printing press to try to take over another atheist publishing company." Murray, William J. (1999-03-01). Madalyn Murray O'Hair Murder: Statement of William J. Murray. Religious Freedom Coalition. Retrieved on 2007-12-01.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    let me quote her own son, "My mother was an evil person...
    This, coming from a money-grubbing evangelist. He makes his living by renting himself out to churches and telling fundamentalists that his mother was an evil demon.

    Some kids just don't appreciate what their parents did for them.

    I knew his mom. She was a tough woman, didn't take any BS from anyone. She didn't suffer fools, either.
    She had a great sense of humor, and was about as smart as they come. Sure, she pissed off a lot of people, because she wouldn't put up with Church BS. Here in Texas, one of the things she is credited with is getting rid of most of the Blue Laws. Ya, it used to be if you wanted to buy a hammer and nails on a Sunday, you could buy the nails, but not the hammer -- for no other reason than it was Sunday, and buying a tool implied that you intended to work, and that was prohibited by the Christian Bible, so the Texas Legislature made it against the secular law, too. There were lots of other similar stupid laws, and Madelyn challenged 'em in court, and got 'em tossed out.

    When she died, she was challenging the Texas Constitution where it says that only people who beleive in God can be elected to public office. Of course lots of people didn't want that; Christian fundamentalists were of the opinion that only an evil demon would want to make such a change.









    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    Not for removing prayer from America's schools...
    I guess you haven't heard, but Madelyn Murray O'Hair did not remove prayer from the public schools. Kids are free to pray pretty much where and whenever they like. What the schools can no longer do, is require students to pray, especially if they don't want to, or if they belong to another religion. Got a problem with that?











    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    She stole huge amounts of money.
    Unless you can tell when and where this happened, all you're doing is libeling and slandering her. And it takes neither brains nor integrity to do that.





    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    She cheated children out of their parents' inheritance. She cheated on her taxes and even stole from her own organizations.
    Looks like more libel & slander to me. BS, too. Can you back this up?








    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    She once printed up phony stock certificates on her own printing press to try to take over another atheist publishing company."
    Geez, that was years ago . . . the old guy who started The Truth Seeker died and according to the will, what was left was supposed to go to a freekthinker/atheist organization. Instead, some Christian fundamentalist claimed it, and the whole thing fell into a court fight. Why? The Fundamentalists wanted to burn all the papers that was left over, plus pocket $$$, and Madelyn wanted to add the old guy's writing to her Atheist Library (her library is quite a sight to behold) and get the $$$. It was an ugly fight. But then again, Madelyn was a fighter.





    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    Murray, William J. (1999-03-01). Madalyn Murray O'Hair Murder: Statement of William J. Murray. Religious Freedom Coalition. Retrieved on 2007-12-01.
    Bill Murray is full of it . . . just an opportunistic money-grubbing dishonest lying Christian Fundamentalist. If he was on fire, I wouldn't bother to pee on him.
    http://www.wjmurray.com/ <----- here's his website. Chuck full of BS. Feast your eyes . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    I knew his mom. She was a tough woman, didn't take any BS from anyone. She didn't suffer fools, either.
    She had a great sense of humor, and was about as smart as they come. Sure, she pissed off a lot of people, because she wouldn't put up with Church BS.
    She hated the Church because the guy that got her pregant would not divorce his wife and marry her because he was Catholic and didn't believe in dovorce(PERIOD). Thats where her bitterness and anger for religion came from. Hell has no furry like a woman scorned.






    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    I guess you haven't heard, but Madelyn Murray O'Hair did not remove prayer from the public schools. Kids are free to pray pretty much where and whenever they like. What the schools can no longer do, is require students to pray, especially if they don't want to, or if they belong to another religion. Got a problem with that?.
    yes, schools are not even allowed to have a moment of silence for silent prayer, not allowed to mention God at graduation and made to feel like a criminal for even trying to mention your beliefs cause people like you have a bone to pick with religion.












    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    Unless you can tell when and where this happened, all you're doing is libeling and slandering her. And it takes neither brains nor integrity to do that.
    Me libeling for quoteing her son??? I even supplied the quotes and source and referenced it, you can do better than that Tock.






    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    Looks like more libel & slander to me. BS, too. Can you back this up?
    see above comment




    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    Geez, that was years ago . . . the old guy who started The Truth Seeker died and according to the will, what was left was supposed to go to a freekthinker/atheist organization. Instead, some Christian fundamentalist claimed it, and the whole thing fell into a court fight. Why? The Fundamentalists wanted to burn all the papers that was left over, plus pocket $$$, and Madelyn wanted to add the old guy's writing to her Atheist Library (her library is quite a sight to behold) and get the $$$. It was an ugly fight. But then again, Madelyn was a fighter.
    Tock, she was tortured, murdered, and dismembered by her own followers. Her only living son bad mouths her every chance he gets, she was hated by everyone, she was a big fat ugly vile woman and in the end she got...well, you can finish that sentence anyway you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    Tock, she was tortured, murdered, and dismembered by her own followers.
    Followers? I don't know anyone who "followed" Madelyn Murray O'Hair.
    She did have ONE fellow she hired to run her business office who was a crook, and who stole big $$$ from her, and then killed her to hide his crime.
    You're trying to make what that one guy did into a vengeful uprising. Sheesh . . .






    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    Her only living son bad mouths her every chance he gets, she was hated by everyone, she was a big fat ugly vile woman and in the end she got...well, you can finish that sentence anyway you like.
    Well, I liked her.

    She was a big, ugly, bad-tempered woman, and she'd just as soon hit ya over the head with a club as look at ya, but she was interesting. If you knew how to approach her, you'd get along famously.
    Plus, she was intelligent. She finished law school, but never took the bar exam because she refused to take the required "So Help Me God" oath that came with the test. She did most of American Atheist's legal work, and used other lawyers (mostly) to make court appearances and file papers.

    Ya, so while she might not have been your cup of tea, she had lots of other folks who liked her. And if you feel the need to harp on the woman, go right ahead. You won't be the first, and you won't be the last. But I can guarantee you that if you had the balls to bad-mouth her to her face, you'd have to get a few limbs re-set before you could repeat your mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    It's evident you've neither read her autobiography nor knew her personally. On top of that, you don't know the circumstances of Murray v. Curlett. In that case, the Baltimore School District required Madelyn's son to bow his head reverentially and pray the Lord's Prayer. It was not optional; he had to do it, or else suffer detention. Madelyn asked the school district to excuse her son since he was an atheist, but they refused. So, the lawsuit was filed, and the rest is history.
    Wrong yet again! Here is a word for word copy of the complaint...

    "No. 119. In 1905 the Board of School Commissioners of Baltimore City adopted a rule pursuant to Art. 77, Sec. 202 of the Annotated Code of Maryland. The rule provided for the holding of opening exercises in the schools of the city, consisting primarily of the "reading, without comment, of a chapter in the Holy Bible and/or the use of the Lord's Prayer." The petitioners, Mrs. Madalyn Murray and her son, William J. Murray III, are both professed atheists. Following unsuccessful attempts to have the respondent school board rescind the rule, this suit was filed for mandamus to compel its rescission and cancellation. It was alleged that William was a student in a public school of the city and Mrs. Murray, his mother, was a taxpayer therein; that it was the practice under the rule to have a reading on each school morning from the King James version of the Bible; that at petitioners' insistence the rule was amended [1] to permit children to be excused from the exercise on request of the parent and that William had been excused pursuant thereto; that nevertheless the rule as amended was in violation of the petitioners' rights "to freedom of religion under the First and Fourteenth Amendments" and in violation of "the principle of separation between church and state, contained therein.... " The petition particularized the petitioners' atheistic beliefs and stated that the rule, as practiced, violated their rights "in that it threatens their religious liberty by placing a premium on belief as against non-belief and subjects their freedom of conscience to the rule of the majority; it pronounces belief in God as the source of all moral and spiritual values, equating these values with religious values, and thereby renders sinister, alien and suspect the beliefs and ideals of your Petitioners, promoting doubt and question of their morality, good citizenship and good faith."


    You need to look up the facts of the case, as with most athiest her non-belief was not enough she forces her non-belief on others. He was excused and went to the hallway during such readings of the Bible. His mother, Madalyn, claimed he was tuanted for not taking part in the readings, he has denied that and said his mother made it up to get rid of the Bible readings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06 View Post
    Wrong yet again! Here is a word for word copy of the complaint...

    that at petitioners' insistence the rule was amended [1] to permit children to be excused from the exercise on request of the parent and that William had been excused pursuant thereto;
    You bet it was "at their insistence." The Baltimore School district didn't give much ground without a fight.






    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    You need to look up the facts of the case, as with most athiest her non-belief was not enough she forces her non-belief on others. He was excused and went to the hallway during such readings of the Bible.
    Well, yes, that happened, too, according to Madelyn's biography. But not until after the School District had told her that her kid had absolutely no choice but to pray, and to pray reverentially.





    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    His mother, Madalyn, claimed he was tuanted for not taking part in the readings, he has denied that and said his mother made it up to get rid of the Bible readings.
    I can understand why he would say that. It makes his mother look like The Evil Atheist Satan that Christian fundamentalists want her to be.
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    sounds like a great family................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13 View Post
    sounds like a great family................
    I'll cheerfully agree that they were all co-dependant, and could have greatly benefited from lots of family therapy. In a lot of ways, they were all wacked-out. But from what I understand from people she routinely did business with, Madelyn was honest. Despite what has been said about her by her fundamentalist preacher son, she was plenty wealthy enough (thanks to $$$ given to her by Larry Flint, the publisher of Hustler magazine) that she didn't need to steal $$$ from her organization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    I can understand why he would say that. It makes his mother look like The Evil Atheist Satan that Christian fundamentalists want her to be.

    and even the liberal arse Time magazine named her the "Most hated woman in America"

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