gyno, gyno, gyno, friggin gyno

[RapaciousShark]

Hey, I'm new to this site, and I'm here to find out one thing - what is my risk of gyno and how do i avoid it?

I just started my first cycle, its 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one, 17b ol
10mg, twice a day for a month.

I was under the impression that this was a pretty light, non-threatening deal here, but I'm paranoid about getting gyno and I can't afford that shit socially or financially.

Someone please get me out of the dark here. Of course, the guy who sold it to me promises its all right, but I think he's tool who's full of shit.

Thanks for reading, happy new year.

[RapaciousShark]

seriously, someone put in their 2 cents, please. I'm just a po' little noob, cantcha see

[ZaneFan]

Are you showing signs of gyno?

[duramaxedge]

what the hell is that?

[duramaxedge]

SUPERDROL Pro Hormone stuff?

[ZaneFan]

what the hell is that?

I was wondering the same thing?

[RapaciousShark]

I started 3 days ago, so I'm not even feelin it yet. No signs of gyno, but I'm not worried about it yet anyway. It's called "Superplex," yeah its a prohormone. Baby stuff, right?

[ZaneFan]

I have never heard of anyone getting gyno from a prohormone. Even 20mg of d-bol alone would not likely cause it. I wouldnt worry about it.

Dont confuse normal body fat around the nipple as gyno.

[duramaxedge]

just watch out for itchy nips man.. I DONT THINK* you would have a problem.. you could keep a weak ai on hand like armidex if you were crazy about it?

[RapaciousShark]

If it works at all, with such low risk of side effects like that, why would anyone go more hardcore? Sorry I don't know anything about roids and I cant ask anyone about it without getting castigated.

[RapaciousShark]

thanks for your time, guys

[ZaneFan]

If it works at all, with such low risk of side effects like that, why would anyone go more hardcore? Sorry I don't know anything about roids and I cant ask anyone about it without getting castigated.

Because prohormones dont give us the results we are looking for.

[Ashop]

Hey, I'm new to this site, and I'm here to find out one thing - what is my risk of gyno and how do i avoid it?

I just started my first cycle, its 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one, 17b ol
10mg, twice a day for a month.

I was under the impression that this was a pretty light, non-threatening deal here, but I'm paranoid about getting gyno and I can't afford that shit socially or financially.

Someone please get me out of the dark here. Of course, the guy who sold it to me promises its all right, but I think he's tool who's full of shit.

Thanks for reading, happy new year.

the best way to avoid it is too run an AI like arimidex or letrozole.

[roodogg]

I have never heard of anyone getting gyno from a prohormone. Even 20mg of d-bol alone would not likely cause it. I wouldnt worry about it.

Dont confuse normal body fat around the nipple as gyno.

I don't quite understand why, but plenty of people around here have had delayed gyno following a ph cycle. I have never had any gyno symptoms b4 and after a PH cycle and proper pct i now have gyno. It sucks big time. Check the supplement forum and you will find many more with the same.

[ziinus]

superdrol is not a ph

[roodogg]

superdrol, mass tabs, PH, PS, designer etc. Users have gotten gyno from association with all of these whether they claim to not cause gyno or not

[RapaciousShark]

Well, I got "superplex," and the bottle says 17a, dimethyl-5a-androst. I'm doin 20 mg a day. If anyone knows about gyno associated w this product, then please speak up.

I'm getting mixed signals on the risk, though I'm obviously going to take the usual precautions. BTW, when is it too late to just drop it outright? It's been 5 days.

[RapaciousShark]

oh ya, I'm 5'8'' and 175 lb, just to put perspective on that 20 mg. I'm hoping the dose isn't too much

[RapaciousShark]

what were the specs on that ph cycle that gave you gyno?

[bigpapabuff]

you could run some letro.

[RapaciousShark]

turns out i got gyno, or at least pseudo-gyno. My nips got all sore and ?puffy?. The areolas got bigger, stretched out and slanted. My girl didnt know til I told her bc my nips were so small in the first place. I hope it's just fat. I dropped the cycle, which lasted only 8 days, two weeks ago, runnin letro and waiting to see some results. Anyone know what I should expect? And what the F*** does puffy MEAN anyway?

[reddragon4954]

run letro it will prevent gyno on just about any cycle. PH included

[comdiver]

I found a thread that has just about everything you need to know about gyno. I read it and got a much clearer understanding on the subject. Some of you guys already covered it in here but im gonna paste it in here anyway. C BINO hooked it up on this one:
All you need to know about GYNO.

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I am posting this thread to help answer all of the questions regarding gyno prevention and reversal, the use of letrozole and other anti-e’s. I will go over everything in very simple easy to understand language. Also we are talking about estrogen gyno here, not progesterone (but using letro will stop progesterone related problems as well since it inhibits all estrogen anyways). Progesterone gyno will be enlargement of your nipple area, the actual aereola, not a lump under it.

Let me make this first point very clear, as I state in my signature this is from my personal experience, so whether you agree with it or not is your own issue. I have helped many people with gyno and it has worked just fine for them as well.

To first understand why you are doing what you are doing I am going to go over a few things and a few definitions:

SERM – Selective estrogen receptor modulator. These drugs work by binding to the estrogen receptors and flooding them in a sense, making it difficult (but not impossible by any means) for estrogen to bind to the receptors and thus prevent the onset of estrogen related side effects.
Most common forms: Tamoxifen (Nolvadex), Clomiphene (Clomid)
AI – Aromatise Inhibitor. These drugs work by inhibiting the aromatization of estrogen. This means that in effect AI’s prevent androgens from converting to estrogen, again, making it difficult (but not impossible) for estrogen to reach receptor sites.
Most common forms: Anastrozole (l-dex, a-dex), Exemestane (aromasin), Femera (letrozole). For our purpose of reversing gyno we are interested in Letro.

Letro and your sex drive:
Letrozole will suppress your sex drive. This is another reason why it is so important to act on preventing gyno as soon as possible. Since we all know that Test should be run in every cycle this will cancel out the effect of sex drive suppression.

Running letro to prevent gyno:
If you decide to run estrogen protection while on cycle (and I suggest you do unless you are aware that you do not require it), you can run either a SERM or an AI. Letro will be the most powerful AI you can use, it will inhibit 98+% of estrogen using a dose as low as .25mg and even lower. This is why I suggest you do not use a dose higher than .50mg while on cycle just trying to prevent estrogen related side effects.

You will want to start running the letro approximately 2 weeks before you begin your cycle to allow it to fully stabilize in your blood. I have often heard the argument that letro takes up to 60 days to stabilize, I don’t know if I buy into this for the reason that I have reversed gyno after using letro for only 1 week. Still to be safe I recommend starting it before your cycle as stated above.

If you do decide to run letro there is absolutely no need to run another AI or SERM. Do not make the mistake of thinking more is better. Think of it this way; if letro is preventing the conversion of androgens to estrogen than there is no estrogen, what would the purpose of a SERM be when there is no estrogen to bind to the receptors? Nolva will only take away from the effectiveness of letro.

This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno…let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.

It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.

How do I know if I have gyno?
If you have developed gyno you will have a lump behind your nipple. It will be fairly hard, and it will be tender to touch.

Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.

1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone:estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another AI or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your PCT so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular PCT.

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can’t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into PCT and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.

I hope this covers most of the issues, still feel free to PM me if you have questions. But make sure you read the entire post first.

[comdiver]

I know its alot to read, but hey, the more knowledge on anything the better i guess.
Peace, and good luck bro.

[RapaciousShark]

thanks man, I live by that thread, even gonna do the Nolva for the rebound at the suggested doses, just maybe a little longer than 2 weeks. I'm just curious about the nips, has anyone had 'em like i described and seen them go back to normal?

[comdiver]

wish i could help ya but i havent ever had gyno. sorry bro. somebody here has gone thru what your going thru. good luck.

[Boof23]

have any of you ever heard of associating letro as a anti-bloating helper as well?

[RapaciousShark]

yeah it tends to help with the dry, shredded, vascular look everyone's lookin for. Depends on the person tho i guess.

[roodogg]

I ran C. Bino's protocol b4 and it made me feel like crap. I could only stay on for a month at 2.5 because of severe joint and back pain. I tapered down and then switched to clomid and aromasin to battle estro rebound. The lumps were smaller and then a couple of months went and they flared up big time. My nips were swollen and tender and i was leaking on my left side. I have a friend who is a world renowned plastic surgeon and he will slice me up soon!

[sitries]

i dont think you have gyno - your just paranoid!!! gyno is an itchy lump under ur nipple - not puffy nipples - that is water retention. plus you only did an 8days cycle. its a bit unrealistic that u have gyno already.

[largerthannormal]

when are we gonna stop bumpin this old thread????

[RapaciousShark]

short cycle indeed, but my nipples have changed beyond toleration and they still havent gone back, and its been 2 weeks since i dropped that cycle. No improvement at all. I dont know what to make of it. Sucks to hear that about the letro, i guess it takes a couple months to finally wear off. I'll keep my AIs and SERMs on hand in case any symptoms return after I'm off.

[nfld]

hey man, the same thing happened to my nipples after my cycle on s-drol, my nipples look like shit now. Did anything help with the puffy nipples?,,,,,,i need advise, i was thinkin about tryin letro myself, but im worried about rebound.
any advise will help, thanks man

[legobricks]

No worries bout rebound, your suppose to ramp up then slowly come off of letro for gyno reversal. Nolva is a good thing to run for a couple weeks after the letro treatment to help prevent rebound. Ive ran CBino's protocol (the one copied and pasted above and if you do copy and paste give credit where credit is due!) almost 2 years ago and it took 6 weeks for it to finally start working. After that the gyno was finny minimal to none. And yes nolva did help after that. Not more then 2 weeks after that I ran a test dbol cycle with no problem at all of gyno symptoms. The Letro treatment does work you just have to keep on it.