USA TODAY: Surge's Success Holds Chance To Seize The Moment In Iraq; Dems 'Lost in Ti

[mcpeepants]

The Iraq was illegal because had not launched an invasion against us or was not in the process of or capable of doing so. So that makes this it a war of aggression which is the ultimate war crime.

[RANA]

The Iraq was illegal because had not launched an invasion against us or was not in the process of or capable of doing so. So that makes this it a war of aggression which is the ultimate war crime.

What? Neither did Germany. Why do you say that it was illegal?

[mcpeepants]

What? Neither did Germany. Why do you say that it was illegal?

Germany and Italy declared war on the on December 11, 1941, three days after the pearl harbor attacks and the United States responded with it's own declaration of war. Iraq had not attacked us and was not in the processes of attacking us (so no self-defense), Congress did not declare war (and they haven't since WW2), and the UN Security Council to not approve attacking Iraq (although I am not a fan of security council declaring war).

[Logan13]

Germany and Italy declared war on the on December 11, 1941, three days after the pearl harbor attacks and the United States responded with it's own declaration of war. Iraq had not attacked us and was not in the processes of attacking us (so no self-defense), Congress did not declare war (and they haven't since WW2), and the UN Security Council to not approve attacking Iraq (although I am not a fan of security council declaring war).

You need to become familiar with the Constitution. The President has the right to send troops anywhere without Congress declaring war. Congress votes to declare war and assig the budget, but the President is Commander and Chief. Another example of someone who let's others form their opinions for him. Were you not ignorant of US law, perhaps you would save yourself from such unfounded rhetoric.............

[thegodfather]

You need to become familiar with the Constitution. The President has the right to send troops anywhere without Congress declaring war. Congress votes to declare war and assig the budget, but the President is Commander and Chief. Another example of someone who let's others form their opinions for him. Were you not ignorant of US law, perhaps you would save yourself from such unfounded rhetoric.............

Logan, for everyones benefit, would you please post the passages from the Constitution which illustrates this power of the Executive branch to do so...

[Logan13]

Logan, for everyones benefit, would you please post the passages from the Constitution which illustrates this power of the Executive branch to do so...

US Constitution: Article 2, Section 2
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States.....

Let's not forget about the 17 UN resolutions that called for the fighting in Iraq to cease, as long as Iraq met the requirements of said resolution. In addition to the legally binding UNSCRs, the UN Security Council has also issued at least 30 statements from the President of the UN Security Council regarding Saddam Hussein's continued violations of UNSCRs. The index for UNSC Presidential Statements is on the UN website.
- Called for the immediate and complete disarmament of Iraq and its prohibited weapons.
- Iraq must provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA full access to Iraqi facilities, individuals, means of transportation, and documents.
- States that the Security Council has repeatedly warned Iraq and that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations.
http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/01fs/14906.htm

War Powers Act (WPA).

The WPA sought to clarify the separation of authority between branches. It can also seen as a power grab by Congress.
The President's powers as Commander-in-Chief to introduce U.S. forces into hostilities or imminent fighting are limited to the following situations:

- A Declaration of War by Congress
- Specific statutory authority
- A national emergency created by an attack on the United States of America or its forces.

[thegodfather]

US Constitution: Article 2, Section 2
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States.....

Let's not forget about the 17 UN resolutions that called for the fighting in Iraq to cease, as long as Iraq met the requirements of said resolution. In addition to the legally binding UNSCRs, the UN Security Council has also issued at least 30 statements from the President of the UN Security Council regarding Saddam Hussein's continued violations of UNSCRs. The index for UNSC Presidential Statements is on the UN website.
- Called for the immediate and complete disarmament of Iraq and its prohibited weapons.
- Iraq must provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA full access to Iraqi facilities, individuals, means of transportation, and documents.
- States that the Security Council has repeatedly warned Iraq and that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations.
http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/01fs/14906.htm

War Powers Act (WPA).

The WPA sought to clarify the separation of authority between branches. It can also seen as a power grab by Congress.
The President's powers as Commander-in-Chief to introduce U.S. forces into hostilities or imminent fighting are limited to the following situations:

- A Declaration of War by Congress
- Specific statutory authority
- A national emergency created by an attack on the United States of America or its forces.

Just the Constitutional parts will suffice...I'm not interested in UN directives which infringe on the sovreignty of the United States and other nations...

[mcpeepants]

You need to become familiar with the Constitution. The President has the right to send troops anywhere without Congress declaring war. Congress votes to declare war and assig the budget, but the President is Commander and Chief. Another example of someone who let's others form their opinions for him. Were you not ignorant of US law, perhaps you would save yourself from such unfounded rhetoric.............

Your response reminds me of the smug episode of south park

The president is not a dictator and he can't do anything he wants. Congress has the authority to declare war and it has been a**icating it's constitutional authority since WW2.

[Logan13]

Your response reminds me of the smug episode of south park

The president is not a dictator and he can't do anything he wants. Congress has the authority to declare war and it has been a**icating it's constitutional authority since WW2.

Again, why not sight the laws that make this war illegal...........

[mcpeepants]

Again, why not sight the laws that make this war illegal...........

repost:
The war was not about self-defense because Iraq had not attacked us and was not in the process of attacking us, Congress did not declare war and has not done so since WW2, and the UN Security Council did not improve of attacking Iraq (although I don't agree the UN Security Council so justify attacking countries).