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    ER waits dangerously long in U.S.: study

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    ER waits dangerously long in U.S.: study
    One-Quarter of Heart Attack Patients Wait 50 Minutes or Longer
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    Patients seeking urgent care in U.S. emergency rooms are waiting longer than in the 1990s, especially people with heart attacks, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday.

    They found a quarter of heart attack victims waited 50 minutes or more before seeing a doctor in 2004. Waits for all types of emergency department visits became 36 percent longer between 1997 and 2004, the team at Harvard Medical School reported.

    Especially unsettling, people who had seen a triage nurse and been designated as needing immediate attention waited 40 percent longer -- from an average of 10 minutes in 1997 to an average 14 minutes in 2004, the researchers report in the journal Health Affairs.

    Heart attack patients waited eight minutes in 1997 but 20 minutes in 2004, Dr. Andrew Wilper and colleagues found.

    "If a loved one has a heart attack, it doesn't matter whether he is well insured. He still has a one-in-four chance of waiting over 50 minutes, because of ED (emergency department) overcrowding, and this wait will only increase," Dr. Robert Lowe, an emergency medicine expert at Oregon Health and Science University who did not work on the study, said in a statement.

    Wilper's team used U.S. Census survey and National Center for Health Statistics data for their study, which covered more than 92,000 emergency department visits.

    They used other surveys to calculate that the number of emergency room visits rose from 93.4 million in 1994 to 110.2 million in 2004.

    During the same time, 12 percent fewer hospitals operated emergency rooms, according to the American Hospital Association.

    "EDs close because, in our current payment system, emergency patients are money-losers for hospitals," Wilper said in a statement.

    Harvard's Dr. David Himmelstein, who worked on the study, also lobbies for some kind of national health care system. "One contributor to ED crowding is Americans' poor access to primary and preventive care, which could address medical issues before they become emergencies," Himmelstein said in a statement.

    The American College of Emergency Physicians said the findings were not surprising.

    "Emergency physicians have said for years that crowding and long wait times are hurting our patients -- insured and uninsured equally," ACEP president Dr. Linda Lawrence said in a statement.

    "Ever-lengthening waits are a frightening trend because any delays in care can make the difference between life and death for some patients. The number of emergency patients is increasing while the number of hospital beds continues to drop. It is a recipe for disaster."

    The study is available online at http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi...act/hlthaff.27 .2.w84

    (Reporting by Maggie Fox, editing by Will Dunham and Philip Barbara)

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    Harvard's Dr. David Himmelstein, who worked on the study, also lobbies for some kind of national health care system. "One contributor to ED crowding is Americans' poor access to primary and preventive care, which could address medical issues before they become emergencies," Himmelstein said in a statement.
    I thought this story might interest you guys that think your health care is fine the way it is. I hope you don't have a heart attack, cause you'll be sitting in the waiting room with all the poor people that can't afford health insurance and are forced to use the ER as their only medical provider.

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    hey, I bet logan will say the opposite! everything is just fine. he just cant understand that criticism is not unpatriotic...

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    Im sure this has nothing to do with the USA being the fattest nation in the world also... heart attacks? stop eating crap all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renesis View Post
    Im sure this has nothing to do with the USA being the fattest nation in the world also... heart attacks? stop eating crap all the time
    yeah too bad no one realizes the best preventative measure is to be healthy.

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    Its longer than its been before...how is nationalized healthcare going to help that?

    Answer: It wont...at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coop77 View Post
    I thought this story might interest you guys that think your health care is fine the way it is. I hope you don't have a heart attack, cause you'll be sitting in the waiting room with all the poor people that can't afford health insurance and are forced to use the ER as their only medical provider.
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    Not me. Trust me the way i would act they would either have no choice to take me right then and there or arrest me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack View Post
    Its longer than its been before...how is nationalized healthcare going to help that?

    Answer: It wont...at all.
    exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ***xxx*** View Post
    hey, I bet logan will say the opposite! everything is just fine. he just cant understand that criticism is not unpatriotic...
    no, but universal healthcare will not change this. Funny how the wait time has increased along with the amount of illegal immigrants in this country though.

    triage, look it up...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack View Post
    Its longer than its been before...how is nationalized healthcare going to help that?

    Answer: It wont...at all.
    Yep, universal healthcare would definitely make the situtation a lot worse. Be prepared to take a number and wait a long time. Not only that, but the overall quality of the healthcare industry would dramatically decrease. That's not even mentioning what it would do to the size of the government and the size of the deficit.
    Last edited by SMCengineer; 01-17-2008 at 09:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack View Post
    Its longer than its been before...how is nationalized healthcare going to help that?

    Answer: It wont...at all.
    The idea is that if poor people had access to regular checkups and preventative care, their small medical problems would be caught & treated before they become big (and expensive) medical problems, and they end up in the ER.

    Also a lot of poor people with no other access to medical care treat the ER like a clinic and show up there at the first sign of any illness. If they had easy access to free clinics, like in Canada, they wouldn't be clogging up the ER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13 View Post
    no, but universal healthcare will not change this. Funny how the wait time has increased along with the amount of illegal immigrants in this country though.

    triage, look it up...........
    I actually agree with you about the illegal immigrants. They're definitely not helping the problem.

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    Is it preventative healthcare or do we just have a population increase and we havent built enough hospitals to keep up? I guess the former fits your argument so you would want that.

    ..and Im damn glad you brought up Canada because Im one of the ones you cant fool with whole canadian free healthcare shit. Im in Northern MI and we have Canadians come here to the hospital where my wife works all the time. You cant tell me they have better healthcare.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coop77 View Post
    The idea is that if poor people had access to regular checkups and preventative care, their small medical problems would be caught & treated before they become big (and expensive) medical problems, and they end up in the ER.

    Also a lot of poor people with no other access to medical care treat the ER like a clinic and show up there at the first sign of any illness. If they had easy access to free clinics, like in Canada, they wouldn't be clogging up the ER.

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    I work in healthcare, and have done consulting for the ministry of health in Canada. Its way better here in the US even tho its broken. But really, a story about long waits in the er, and people dying in the waiting room. Its really an old story that pops up every few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack View Post
    Is it preventative healthcare or do we just have a population increase and we havent built enough hospitals to keep up? I guess the former fits your argument so you would want that.
    I'm sure both of those things contribute to the problem. Do you think the solution is to build more hospitals?

    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack View Post
    ..and Im damn glad you brought up Canada because Im one of the ones you cant fool with whole canadian free healthcare shit. Im in Northern MI and we have Canadians come here to the hospital where my wife works all the time. You cant tell me they have better healthcare.
    Nah, there's is one of the worst, as far as national health care. France's system is supposedly the best in the world.
    If you're paying for your own care, and have the money, I totally believe you can get top-notch care in the US, probably better than what you can get for free in Canada. That's why Canadians are going to your wife's hospital.
    But if you're poor/unemployed/destitute/homeless/etc, you'll definitely be getting better care in Canada than you will here.

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