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    Magic writes very well.

    Doc Sust has lots of knowledge and I enjoy reading his posts

    Oh and Merc does a pretty good job as well.
    Last edited by MuscleScience; 01-22-2008 at 07:31 PM. Reason: Write like a tard today

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Magic writes very well.

    Doc Sust has lots of knowledge and I enjoy reading his posts

    Oh and Merc does a pretty good job as well.
    Agreed! Here is a little Magic:

    Quote Originally Posted by magic32 View Post
    The time between dinner/last meal and arising creates a pseudo-fasting state within the body. This permits far greater stored fat access due to bloodstream glucose and liver glycogen store depletions. Anything you eat prior to working out, even though digestion takes hours, is still subject to quick bloodstream entry via other routes most notably sublingual.

    For example, when awake we don’t routinely go for 8-11 hrs w/o eating. So even when you're very hungry after say 4hrs, and somewhat irritable due to lowered blood glucose levels, the aforementioned mechanism provide near instantaneous remedy. As soon as you begin eating you almost immediately feel better because of these alternate nutrient processing routes. Now this same energy is provided at an even more efficient level after longer deprived overnight sleep, truly making breakfast the most important meal of the day. So in order to take advantage of your body’s depleted state, you don’t want to consume anything other than nutrient free water. This however, excludes calorie free synthetic energy, such Ephedra and its related products which certainly augment AM workouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johny-too-small View Post
    Agreed! Here is a little Magic:
    LOL, thats the one me and Magic went back and forth on. I still respectfully disagree with some of what he said but it was a fun debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    LOL, thats the one me and Magic went back and forth on. I still respectfully disagree with some of what he said but it was a fun debate.
    Youre not so bad yourself..

    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    I have noticed a lot of questions regarding when to change up workout routines. I will try to briefly explain the concept of peroidization.

    Peroidization simple explained is the concept of changing one's exercise routine in-order to prevent the body from adapting to exercise thus causing a plateau in gains. Most peroidization programs are based on 4 periods a year changing once every three months. Why three months you may ask, well according to most of the current and landmark literature. It takes the body about 12 weeks to adapt fully to any new exercise routine. This means that after the 12 weeks the body has adapted (become use to) the current stimulus that its been exposed to. This adaptation causes the body to no longer grow or improve. This goes for resistance training along with both anaerobic and aerobic exercise. What this all means is that if your on a new exercise program after 3 months it will no longer produce the same response in the body as it did when you first started it.

    How do I get my body to respond after it adapts?

    This is simple you just change your exercise routine to something that the body hasnt seen before. For example I work with lots of endurance athletes, one period maybe an off-season building program. Which would consist of a runner running 90 miles a week with 4 days of weights. The next period which would be contest prep would consist of 120 miles a week with 2 days of weights for maintenance only. Then we would of course have a rebuild and rest period followed by a gradual build up period.

    Now of course the three month rule isnt really a rule its more of a guideline. Some programs for individuals will run only 8 weeks some will run longer. Everybody's body is different thats why its important to listen to your body and know when a change is needed. I have wrote programs for athletes that run as long as 15 weeks which is the extreme end in my opinion. If you want to learn more about peroidization and its applications the two best places to look are the websites for ACSM and NSCA.

    Thanks and hope this helps

    MS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johny-too-small View Post
    Youre not so bad yourself..

    i was thinking the same thing bout Muscle science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johny-too-small View Post
    Youre not so bad yourself..
    Thanks I enjoy sharing my knowledge, makes me feel that all the student loan money I took out for my education is actually being used.

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    Good thread J!

    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Magic writes very well.

    Doc Sust has lots of knowledge and I enjoy reading his posts

    Oh and Merc does a pretty good job as well.
    Yeah he would have picked one of the most controversial, right up there next to my philosophy on latter stage Sust dosing.

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    Whoever wrote this gets my vote:

    THREAD TITLE: No Clen On Cycle…says Who?
    ________________________________________
    LET THEM EAT CLEN!

    A question was recently pm’ed to me by an intelligent member who found himself unable to abide by a Steroid.com profile due to the prevalence of contemporary information, meaning either the info is incorrect or the profile requires updating. Essentially, his question was “How can I run T3 and Clen together (the dynamic duo referenced within the profile) if T3 is appropriately used on cycle, and Clen off cycle?”

    As many of you know this “Clen is a hindrance to cycle gains” ideology has recently permeated this and other site forums. Sadly, propaganda can so encompass a society that, whether true or not, it becomes real by virtue of the level of communal acceptance (i.e. the world is flat; the universe is finite).

    As I have yet to see a single shred of research-based evidence to support this philosophy, my stance on the position is that of the former well-substantiated belief that Clen is NOT a cycle detriment, but rather the diametric opposite…A MULTI-FACETED CYCLE BENEFIT. I mentioned this to Hooker yesterday during a business call and he whole-heartedly agreed that not only does Clen raise IGF levels, and possess anti-catabolic properties, but to a slight degree promotes anabolism (especially in a weight trained body). Oddly, it is for these very reasons that even the Clen during cycle abolitionists are in favor of its PCT application, which makes perfect sense but why not during cycle as well? I’m not saying the theory is ridiculous, because we certainly find precedent for it in the use of SERMS and AI’s while on cycle, however their negative on cycle attributes only occur because of conflicting mechanisms that aren’t germane to Clen. Even if said mechanics (chemical reactions) were at play with Clen, they'd have to quite potent to successfully counter ALL of its muscle promoting benefits (re-establishing baseline), then continue on into negative territory.

    If anyone holds the opposite opinion let's dialogue, please rebut this argument ALONG WITH factual research-based evidence, clinical or otherwise. As Anthony put it “I’m open the idea, but there doesn’t seem to be any proof for it.” Conversely I’d like to cite a few of the more prominent studies (located below) in support of my claim.

    And for the history buffs among you, I trust the satirical nature of the title was not wasted. This flippant phrase about consuming pastry is commonly attributed to Marie Antoinette in the days leading up to the French Revolution. Supposedly, she spoke the words "Let them eat cake" upon hearing how the peasantry had no bread to eat. But biographers and historians have found NO evidence that Marie uttered such words or anything similar, much like Clen hindering one’s cycle!

    1. Clenbuterol induces muscle-specific attenuation of atrophy through effects on the ubiquitin-proteasome pathway
    Tossaporn Yimlamai,1 Stephen L. Dodd,1 Stephen E. Borst,1,2 and Sooyeon Park1
    http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/99/1/71

    2. Role of IGF-I and IGFBPs in the changes of mass and phenotype induced in rat soleus muscle by clenbuterol
    Bonaventure L. Awede1, Jean-Paul Thissen2, and Jean Lebacq1
    http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...ract/282/1/E31

    3. Molecular impact of clenbuterol and isometric strength training on rat EDL muscles
    Mounier, Rémi1; Cavalié, Hélian; Lac, Gérard; Clottes, Eric
    http://www.ingentaconnect.com/search...ze=20&index=12

    SOURCE: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=322467

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    A personal favorite:

    This is a very good question.

    Because this can be somewhat technical, and hinges on a couple of variables, it is an often misunderstood area so the two terms (half-life & active-life) are generally and erroneously used as synonyms.

    The half-life defines the time required for elimination of half the amount of substance absorbed, i.e. for plasma levels to drop by 50%. However, the action of a drug ceases when it disappears from its action site, as in your experience with Clen's side effects. This can occur by two mechanisms:
    • By redistribution, the mechanism by which the drug is initially distributed to the action site, but is also subsequently distributed to peripheral storage areas, mainly fat tissue, skeletal muscle and liver.
    • By drug elimination, including both excretion and metabolic inactivation of the active ingredient.


    Here's where it gets a semi-complicated, "Clearance" quantifies the capacity of the body to eliminate the drug, and can be defined as the volume of blood or plasma that is cleared of a substance through elimination processes.

    Thus, the half-life can be regarded as the result of two primary processes:
    • The distribution capacity of the drug, expressed by its distribution volume.
    • The elimination capacity of the body, expressed by clearance, so that the elimination half-life increases with increasing distribution volumes and decreases with a decreasing clearance.


    Hence the old adages, "Because you can't feel it doesn't mean it's not working/there", and the doctors often quoted antibiotic creed, "Continue to take this even when your symptoms have dissipated."

    SOURCE: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=322879

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    This guy is quite good as well:

    Fat Burning
    ________________________________________
    Okay 60mgs plus of Var in a Test base, with a Nor (preferably Tren) and another variable like Mast, Winnie, Tbol, GH your call!

    But with fat loss, synergy is everything, so you need to align as many elements as possible. Here are some tips:
    I'm a fan of empty stomach AM cardio, but don't become stagnant w/the same AM cardio exercise, vary the training and intensity, with the bulk coming from weight-bearing exercises (not bikes). Be sure to inject some HIIT in the form of short bursts and/or jump rope.
    Good article: http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Best-C...rt-2&id=304737

    AM cardio results are augmented by a follow up session during the day...take advantage of it, like 20-30mins pre or post-lift. Also, a recent Japanese study proved a long held practice of mine, that 30mins of cardio with a 20min rest (usually spent on midsection) followed by another 30mins enhances metabolic results far more than a mere 60min session.
    Write up: http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercis...-burn-more-fat
    Actual study: http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/conten...act/102/6/2158

    Be sure to incorporate items from this list: http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/heal...elp-lose-jan07

    Components you probably haven't considered: http://insidefatburning.blogspot.com...1_archive.html

    SOURCE: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323850
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    Who is this guy???
    GRATITUTIOUS PLUGS!
    Master Pai Mei of the White Lotus Clan



    My motto: SAFETY & RESPECT (for drugs and others).

    I AM NOT A SOURCE, I DO NOT GIVE OUT SOURCES, OR PROVIDE SOURCE CHECKS.
    I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY UGL's OR ANY ORGANIZATION DEALING WITH THE DISTRIBUTION OF ILLEGAL NARCOTICS/SUBSTANCES!


    Difference between Drugs & Poisons
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=317700


    Half-lives explained
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...inal+half+life


    DNP like Chemotherapy, can be a useful poison, but both are still POISONS
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=306144


    BE CAREFUL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32 View Post
    Good thread J!



    Yeah he would have picked one of the most controversial, right up there next to my philosophy on latter stage Sust dosing.

    -----------------

    Whoever wrote this gets my vote:

    THREAD TITLE: No Clen On Cycle…says Who?
    ________________________________________
    LET THEM EAT CLEN!

    A question was recently pm’ed to me by an intelligent member who found himself unable to abide by a Steroid.com profile due to the prevalence of contemporary information, meaning either the info is incorrect or the profile requires updating. Essentially, his question was “How can I run T3 and Clen together (the dynamic duo referenced within the profile) if T3 is appropriately used on cycle, and Clen off cycle?”

    As many of you know this “Clen is a hindrance to cycle gains” ideology has recently permeated this and other site forums. Sadly, propaganda can so encompass a society that, whether true or not, it becomes real by virtue of the level of communal acceptance (i.e. the world is flat; the universe is finite).

    As I have yet to see a single shred of research-based evidence to support this philosophy, my stance on the position is that of the former well-substantiated belief that Clen is NOT a cycle detriment, but rather the diametric opposite…A MULTI-FACETED CYCLE BENEFIT. I mentioned this to Hooker yesterday during a business call and he whole-heartedly agreed that not only does Clen raise IGF levels, and possess anti-catabolic properties, but to a slight degree promotes anabolism (especially in a weight trained body). Oddly, it is for these very reasons that even the Clen during cycle abolitionists are in favor of its PCT application, which makes perfect sense but why not during cycle as well? I’m not saying the theory is ridiculous, because we certainly find precedent for it in the use of SERMS and AI’s while on cycle, however their negative on cycle attributes only occur because of conflicting mechanisms that aren’t germane to Clen. Even if said mechanics (chemical reactions) were at play with Clen, they'd have to quite potent to successfully counter ALL of its muscle promoting benefits (re-establishing baseline), then continue on into negative territory.

    If anyone holds the opposite opinion let's dialogue, please rebut this argument ALONG WITH factual research-based evidence, clinical or otherwise. As Anthony put it “I’m open the idea, but there doesn’t seem to be any proof for it.” Conversely I’d like to cite a few of the more prominent studies (located below) in support of my claim.

    And for the history buffs among you, I trust the satirical nature of the title was not wasted. This flippant phrase about consuming pastry is commonly attributed to Marie Antoinette in the days leading up to the French Revolution. Supposedly, she spoke the words "Let them eat cake" upon hearing how the peasantry had no bread to eat. But biographers and historians have found NO evidence that Marie uttered such words or anything similar, much like Clen hindering one’s cycle!

    1. Clenbuterol induces muscle-specific attenuation of atrophy through effects on the ubiquitin-proteasome pathway
    Tossaporn Yimlamai,1 Stephen L. Dodd,1 Stephen E. Borst,1,2 and Sooyeon Park1
    http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/99/1/71

    2. Role of IGF-I and IGFBPs in the changes of mass and phenotype induced in rat soleus muscle by clenbuterol
    Bonaventure L. Awede1, Jean-Paul Thissen2, and Jean Lebacq1
    http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...ract/282/1/E31

    3. Molecular impact of clenbuterol and isometric strength training on rat EDL muscles
    Mounier, Rémi1; Cavalié, Hélian; Lac, Gérard; Clottes, Eric
    http://www.ingentaconnect.com/search...ze=20&index=12

    SOURCE: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=322467

    --------------------------------------------------
    A personal favorite:

    This is a very good question.

    Because this can be somewhat technical, and hinges on a couple of variables, it is an often misunderstood area so the two terms (half-life & active-life) are generally and erroneously used as synonyms.

    The half-life defines the time required for elimination of half the amount of substance absorbed, i.e. for plasma levels to drop by 50%. However, the action of a drug ceases when it disappears from its action site, as in your experience with Clen's side effects. This can occur by two mechanisms:
    • By redistribution, the mechanism by which the drug is initially distributed to the action site, but is also subsequently distributed to peripheral storage areas, mainly fat tissue, skeletal muscle and liver.
    • By drug elimination, including both excretion and metabolic inactivation of the active ingredient.


    Here's where it gets a semi-complicated, "Clearance" quantifies the capacity of the body to eliminate the drug, and can be defined as the volume of blood or plasma that is cleared of a substance through elimination processes.

    Thus, the half-life can be regarded as the result of two primary processes:
    • The distribution capacity of the drug, expressed by its distribution volume.
    • The elimination capacity of the body, expressed by clearance, so that the elimination half-life increases with increasing distribution volumes and decreases with a decreasing clearance.


    Hence the old adages, "Because you can't feel it doesn't mean it's not working/there", and the doctors often quoted antibiotic creed, "Continue to take this even when your symptoms have dissipated."

    SOURCE: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=322879

    ------------------------------------------------------

    This guy is quite good as well:

    Fat Burning
    ________________________________________
    Okay 60mgs plus of Var in a Test base, with a Nor (preferably Tren) and another variable like Mast, Winnie, Tbol, GH your call!

    But with fat loss, synergy is everything, so you need to align as many elements as possible. Here are some tips:
    I'm a fan of empty stomach AM cardio, but don't become stagnant w/the same AM cardio exercise, vary the training and intensity, with the bulk coming from weight-bearing exercises (not bikes). Be sure to inject some HIIT in the form of short bursts and/or jump rope.
    Good article: http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Best-C...rt-2&id=304737

    AM cardio results are augmented by a follow up session during the day...take advantage of it, like 20-30mins pre or post-lift. Also, a recent Japanese study proved a long held practice of mine, that 30mins of cardio with a 20min rest (usually spent on midsection) followed by another 30mins enhances metabolic results far more than a mere 60min session.
    Write up: http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercis...-burn-more-fat
    Actual study: http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/conten...act/102/6/2158

    Be sure to incorporate items from this list: http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/heal...elp-lose-jan07

    Components you probably haven't considered: http://insidefatburning.blogspot.com...1_archive.html

    SOURCE: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323850
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    Who is this guy???
    GRATITUTIOUS PLUGS!
    HIS name is MAGIC .. HEHEHE
    Last edited by Merc..; 01-22-2008 at 09:47 PM.

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