So I'm honestly considering running a deca only cycle

[legobricks]

trust all of them your allways suppoed to run more test then deca any one will tell you and i don't know any one who has ran deca bi it self

Slightly above an HRT dose of test will be sufficient.

[bpm1]

i think the thing u guys are neglecting to understand is when u supress ur production of test u supress ur production and having exogenous test present isnt going to affect how suppressed u are in fact it will only add to your suppression.i dont think u are any more at risk shutting down ur natty test production permanently running deca solo or with test, suppressed is supressed

[J*U*icEd]

tai im just explaining why you feel the way you do about the topic... the noobs don't know about your specific situation...

[bpm1]

the only thing adding test to a deca only cycle is going to do is prevent the sides of not having enough test(limp dick, or lack of sex drive).deca is completely suppresive yet it does not act like test in the system thus the need for test is normal(not for everybody but most)

[J*U*icEd]

i think the thing u guys are neglecting to understand is when u supress ur production of test u supress ur production and having exogenous test present isnt going to affect how suppressed u are in fact it will only add to your suppression.i dont think u are any more at risk shutting down ur natty test production permanently running deca solo or with test, suppressed is supressed

you just condradicted yourself in a single post... "when your suppressed your suppressed", but "adding test will just shut you down more"... well when your completely shut down by deca your completely shut down, you cant get anymore shut down by adding test... the reason for test is combating deca dick and to help in recovery... the body will recognise exogenous test as test no matter what, if you use deca and no test your body as no resemblance of test for the cycle duration... making recovery harder...

[legobricks]

i think the thing u guys are neglecting to understand is when u supress ur production of test u supress ur production and having exogenous test present isnt going to affect how suppressed u are in fact it will only add to your suppression.i dont think u are any more at risk shutting down ur natty test production permanently running deca solo or with test, suppressed is supressed

Shut down, not supressed. There is a difference. Your body is used to having testosterone present. Without supplementing an exogenious form of test your body will recongnize there is no test present and will stay shut down. Running a dose of test while on any AAS that will shut your endogenious testosterone production will supplement what your body is supposed to be producing. Your body senses there is an extra amount test so it begins to seize production. You still have test running through you which will combat any negative sides when on and coming off. Either wya though yes you will be shutdown with using test and deca but at least have some test running through your body as it needs testosterone.

[admirals56]

i love reading this

[J*U*icEd]

what happend to my title... im not a senior member anymore with over 2G posts whats up wit that???

[Big]

trust all of them your allways suppoed to run more test then deca any one will tell you and i don't know any one who has ran deca bi it self

nope, just a trt dose of test is plenty

[J*U*icEd]

Shut down, not supressed. There is a difference. Your body is used to having testosterone present. Without supplementing an exogenious form of test your body will recongnize there is no test present and will stay shut down. Running a dose of test while on any AAS that will shut your endogenious testosterone production will supplement what your body is supposed to be producing. Your body senses there is an extra amount test so it begins to seize production. You still have test running through you which will combat any negative sides when on and coming off. Either wya though yes you will be shutdown with using test and deca but at least have some test running through your body as it needs testosterone.

thank you lego... i love you!!!!!

[soccer#3]

Yes. What you could have said was, "members have used deca and no deca dick BUT its frowned upon here due to its ability to permanantly shut ones natural testosterone production down and that is why you need to supplement a form of test while running deca." Your posts sound encouraging to let him go on without test.

i think i made it pretty clear that it is a risk and a lot of people do get deca dick but not everyone. i was just givin him another side to the story. and i honestly havent heard deca leavin a person wit a limp dick on permanent basis. i cant comment on shit i never heard of before, thats why i was askin juiced about. thats not givin bad advice

but to get back to ur other post. i did have clomid and nolva on hand and thats what i ran for my pct, not the best i'll admit but the gyno came after wards. so did a lil bacne. it seems like u can never be too read up in things if u know what i mean. my libido actually increased on tbol even during the pct. but i'll never run tbol only again i think.

[legobricks]

so it doesnt matter if you run test with deca the only reason is for libidoe issues???

No. Keep reading all posts. Juiced explained it as well as I.

[bpm1]

you just condradicted yourself in a single post... "when your suppressed your suppressed", but "adding test will just shut you down more"... well when your completely shut down by deca your completely shut down, you cant get anymore shut down by adding test... the reason for test is combating deca dick and to help in recovery... the body will recognise exogenous test as test no matter what, if you use deca and no test your body as no resemblance of test for the cycle duration... making recovery harder...

maybee i didnt explain it correctly test is suppressive correct? of course so is dcea (even more so) so im sure we agree on those two points, so if they are both suppressive the two together will be more supressive as either one alone, doesnt that make sense.ur right the body does recognise the exogenous test as test thats why it tells itself that it has enough test and quits making it, thats why its suppresive, its quite simple really

[J*U*icEd]

at first i thought i was the only one trying to explain the helpful recovery properties of test during a test and deca cycle... thank you lego!!

[Amorphic]

just run hrt dose of test to keep your libido and mood functioning properly.

if deck dick issues arise they are most likely progesterone/prolacin related, so get some caber to be safe.

[J*U*icEd]

maybee i didnt explain it correctly test is suppressive correct? of course so is dcea (even more so) so im sure we agree on those two points, so if they are both suppressive the two together will be more supressive as either one alone, doesnt that make sense.ur right the body does recognise the exogenous test as test thats why it tells itself that it has enough test and quits making it, thats why its suppresive, its quite simple really

well this is all relative to the person... with most this would be no- deca shuts you down... its not suppressive, well it is but to the extent of "shut down"... so if your already shut down by deca you cannot shut down more by adding test... you are already shut down... if this doesn't help with what ur thinking then i dont' understand what youre saying...

[J*U*icEd]

this subject has really been beaten to death... there are plenty of threads on this subject... just search using the "search this forum" function on the top right of the page...

[legobricks]

Comon cant we push it to 3 pages? Hahaha this discussion really got heated fast!

[bpm1]

Shut down, not supressed. There is a difference. Your body is used to having testosterone present. Without supplementing an exogenious form of test your body will recongnize there is no test present and will stay shut down. Running a dose of test while on any AAS that will shut your endogenious testosterone production will supplement what your body is supposed to be producing. Your body senses there is an extra amount test so it begins to seize production. You still have test running through you which will combat any negative sides when on and coming off. Either wya though yes you will be shutdown with using test and deca but at least have some test running through your body as it needs testosterone.

if your body senses no test doesnt that tell it to kick in and start making more? why is deca so suppresive then,doesnt your body read it as test even though it doesnt act like test in the system?, and of course ur better off having some exo test ,id never run a cycle without test, my only point is i dont believe theres any more risk at shutting down ur test production permanently just because u didnt use test in a deca only cycle

[bpm1]

well this is all relative to the person... with most this would be no- deca shuts you down... its not suppressive, well it is but to the extent of "shut down"... so if your already shut down by deca you cannot shut down more by adding test... you are already shut down... if this doesn't help with what ur thinking then i dont' understand what youre saying...

ok say it doesnt shut u down more, who knows, i was theorising, point is, is there really more of a risk of permanent shut down if u run deca without test, i say no, i dont think exogenous test aids in recovery from a suppressive compound like deca as it all must be gone from the system to recover and for your natty test to start back up

[bpm1]

Comon cant we push it to 3 pages? Hahaha this discussion really got heated fast!

im trying bro,lol

[J*U*icEd]

if your body senses no test doesnt that tell it to kick in and start making more? why is deca so suppresive then,doesnt your body read it as test even though it doesnt act like test in the system?, and of course ur better off having some exo test ,id never run a cycle without test, my only point is i dont believe theres any more risk at shutting down ur test production permanently just because u didnt use test in a deca only cycle

the sides of a deca only cycle don't only concern libido... legargy, mood, appetite, well-being, and mental health all are sides of a deca only cycle... test helps combat these sides and helps to keep the body used to test until endogenous production is back in full... instead of 12 weeks without test it will only be about 3-4 during PCT...

[J*U*icEd]

ok say it doesnt shut u down more, who knows, i was theorising, point is, is there really more of a risk of permanent shut down if u run deca without test, i say no, i dont think exogenous test aids in recovery from a suppressive compound like deca as it all must be gone from the system to recover and for your natty test to start back up

that is just not true!!

[J*U*icEd]

do a deca only cycle then let us know... please bpm!

[taiboxa]

Deca or any nor group will be recognized as a form of test, this signals your NUTS to cease all activity..
this is the exact same thing that happens w/ an exogenous form of testosterone.

HOW EVER your BODY CAN NOT use deca or any 19nor compound in the same manner it can utilize synthetic test. thus proper and healthy physiological functions relying on testosterone can not occur. i.e. LIBIDO and BONERS as well as serotonin regulation... hence the depression some experience w/ deca.

[bpm1]

do a deca only cycle then let use know... please bpm!

i would never do a deca only cycle bro, my main point i didnt agree with was that u were in more danger of permanent shutdown of your natty test production from a deca only cycle and thus requiring premanent HRT, i dont agree with that.
for the record i dont recommend a deca cycle without test, in fact i will never run deca again personally because of all the sides u previously stated and im more than willing to agree that u r probably gonna have nasty sides wothout test(even with for me,lol) but that was never my argument only what i just stated.

[bpm1]

that is just not true!!

how was that not true? explain please

[bpm1]

Deca or any nor group will be recognized as a form of test, this signals your NUTS to cease all activity..
this is the exact same thing that happens w/ an exogenous form of testosterone.

HOW EVER your BODY CAN NOT use deca or any 19nor compound in the same manner it can utilize synthetic test. thus proper and healthy physiological functions relying on testosterone can not occur. i.e. LIBIDO and BONERS as well as serotonin regulation... hence the depression some experience w/ deca.

exactly, so while exogenous test will deff aid in reducing or eliminating these sides someone please explain how it aids in your recovery

[J*U*icEd]

omg is all i have to say... read my posts and the second paragraph of tai's last post... the longer you deprive proper test functioning systems in your body of test, the worse off your recovery will be....

[J*U*icEd]

recovery from deca also includes mental health and wellbeing, excetera... not just libido, you get it now... please tell me yes!!

[taiboxa]

exactly, so while exogenous test will deff aid in reducing or eliminating these sides someone please explain how it aids in your recovery

it doesnt so much AID in recovery... the concept is to run test longer than deca allowing it to completely clear from your system so that its suppressive capabilities do not impose on your pct as well as having its increase in progest recepts messing w/ ones sex drive, mental well being, and other hormonal affiliations

[bpm1]

recovery from deca also includes mental health and wellbeing, excetera... not just libido, you get it now... please tell me yes!!

we are actually arguing the same thing i think, yes i deff agree with those things, always have, its just that other thing is all,lol

[J*U*icEd]

it doesnt so much AID in recovery... the concept is to run test longer than deca allowing it to completely clear from your system so that its suppressive capabilities do not impose on your pct as well as having its increase in progest recepts messing w/ ones sex drive, mental well being, and other hormonal affiliations

yes... the longer you deprive test from test functioning systems the worse your recovery...

[J*U*icEd]

we are actually arguing the same thing i think, yes i deff agree with those things, always have, its just that other thing is all,lol

bro... lol... u got me crackin up here

[taiboxa]

webb has some good insight on Deca only though lol.. one deca only cycle fuxd up his weiner for good 6months.. took him for ever to get his libido back

[bpm1]

it doesnt so much AID in recovery... the concept is to run test longer than deca allowing it to completely clear from your system so that its suppressive capabilities do not impose on your pct as well as having its increase in progest recepts messing w/ ones sex drive, mental well being, and other hormonal affiliations

of course i never disagreed with that, im totally 100% agree the only thing i didnt agree with was the statement that running deca alone was more risky in the sense of leading to permanent HRT(any suppressive compound could) as opposed to test and deca together, i dont agree with that statement ONLY, i 100% agree with THE REST OF IT

[J*U*icEd]

webb has some good insight on Deca only though lol.. one deca only cycle fuxd up his weiner for good 6months.. took him for ever to get his libido back

do you see what he wrote here... say he hadn't gotten his libido back, which could happen after acouple more deca only cycles... that would mean permenantly low test, which in turn would need to be remedied by HRT...

[J*U*icEd]

of course i never disagreed with that, im totally 100% agree the only thing i didnt agree with was the statement that running deca alone was more risky in the sense of leading to permanent HRT(any suppressive compound could) as opposed to test and deca together, i dont agree with that statement ONLY, i 100% agree with THE REST OF IT

it is more likey to happen with deca only cycles.... period!...

[tripmachine]

Comon cant we push it to 3 pages? Hahaha this discussion really got heated fast!

bump for page 3

[bpm1]

let me just say its been fun, but i have a headache now,lol (prolly from the deca)