Interrogator: Invasion Surprised Saddam

[thegodfather]

I still fail to see how any of this was threatening the national security of the homeland of the United States? And I would hope that our American intelligence had the competence to know that he was doing this, and know that he was not in fact a threat but just blowing smoke up everyones ass's. You are REALLY stretching here Logan, with trying to justify Bush's unjustifiable war.

You would have us believe that because Saddam went around saying "I have WMDs, I have WMDs" that we just should take his word at face value and commit 500,000 US soldiers lives to taking him out, when he in reality posed no serious threat to the national security of this nation? In addition it has since come to light that the intelligence reports even reaffirmed that no such weapons or threats existed. '

So do you actually support US imperialism and war mongering? Because by all means if you do, why are you sitting here right now? The Army/Navy/Marines are taking new recruits everyday, why dont you go sign up?

[Logan13]

I still fail to see how any of this was threatening the national security of the homeland of the United States? And I would hope that our American intelligence had the competence to know that he was doing this, and know that he was not in fact a threat but just blowing smoke up everyones ass's. You are REALLY stretching here Logan, with trying to justify Bush's unjustifiable war.

You would have us believe that because Saddam went around saying "I have WMDs, I have WMDs" that we just should take his word at face value and commit 500,000 US soldiers lives to taking him out, when he in reality posed no serious threat to the national security of this nation? In addition it has since come to light that the intelligence reports even reaffirmed that no such weapons or threats existed. '

So do you actually support US imperialism and war mongering? Because by all means if you do, why are you sitting here right now? The Army/Navy/Marines are taking new recruits everyday, why dont you go sign up?

Not stretching it as much as those who are saying that he should be charged for war crimes, and yet no one can site which law was broken..........
We needed no other reason than the fact that sadaam broke the cease-fire agreement from 1991 17 times. Read the cease-fire agreement, it states that in no uncertain terms the use of the military would be re-implemented if the terms of said agreement are not met. What pisses me off are the ignorant ramblings of people who think they know that which they obviously do not know. I am tired of this ignorance.......

[thegodfather]

Not stretching it as much as those who are saying that he should be charged for war crimes, and yet no one can site which law was broken..........
We needed no other reason than the fact that sadaam broke the cease-fire agreement from 1991 17 times. Read the cease-fire agreement, it states that in no uncertain terms the use of the military would be re-implemented if the terms of said agreement are not met. What pisses me off are the ignorant ramblings of people who think they know that which they obviously do not know. I am tired of this ignorance.......

That is true...HOWEVER, that is not the reason given to the American public and sold down their throats to earn their support for this war. The war was propagated on LIES. Who is to say the American public would have been willing to risk all of those lives to enforce an agreement signed in 1991, which not only involved the US but several other nations of the United Nations. Who is to say the American public would have supported such measures to enforce UN resolutions and cease fire treatys from 1991?

I can only speculate that they would have much rather sought a diplomatic solution that did not involve 4,000 dead US sons&daughters, and plunging their country an additional 2 Trillion dollars into debt, all the while their quality of life and living standards go down. No, that is not why the American people supported the war initially, the war was supported based on bold faced LIES by the Bush administration.

[Logan13]

That is true...HOWEVER, that is not the reason given to the American public and sold down their throats to earn their support for this war. The war was propagated on LIES. Who is to say the American public would have been willing to risk all of those lives to enforce an agreement signed in 1991, which not only involved the US but several other nations of the United Nations. Who is to say the American public would have supported such measures to enforce UN resolutions and cease fire treatys from 1991?

I can only speculate that they would have much rather sought a diplomatic solution that did not involve 4,000 dead US sons&daughters, and plunging their country an additional 2 Trillion dollars into debt, all the while their quality of life and living standards go down. No, that is not why the American people supported the war initially, the war was supported based on bold faced LIES by the Bush administration.

Doesn't matter, the right was there the whole time and was therefore a "legal" action. So for you and otheres to say "it was an illegal war" makes you sound uninformed. Argue semantics all you want, the facts will not bend to suit your views.

[thegodfather]

Doesn't matter, the right was there the whole time and was therefore a "legal" action. So for you and otheres to say "it was an illegal war" makes you sound uninformed. Argue semantics all you want, the facts will not bend to suit your views.

Please show me a ****ing quotation where I said it was an illegal ****ing war...I never said that, do not put words into my mouth. I said that it was a war propagated on LIES. I never used the word illegal. The President and his advisors LIED. That is the point I am making, and that is the point I am arguing. They DECIEVED the American public as to the real threat at hand so as the garner support for their war. I never said it was ILLEGAL.

[Logan13]

Please show me a ****ing quotation where I said it was an illegal ****ing war...I never said that, do not put words into my mouth. I said that it was a war propagated on LIES. I never used the word illegal. The President and his advisors LIED. That is the point I am making, and that is the point I am arguing. They DECIEVED the American public as to the real threat at hand so as the garner support for their war. I never said it was ILLEGAL.

Then you must believe that the other 5 countries and the former US President that had the same intelligence lied as well. If Bush was knowingly lying about WMDs, he would have at least planted some to back up his story.

“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors”
- President William Jefferson Clinton 12/16/98

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“The intelligence which the president shared with us was in line with what we saw in the White House…” - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, 2003

US intel said it. England's intel said it. Israel's intel said it. France's intel said it. China's intel said it. And Russia's intel said it.
But Bush alone lied about the intel? Talk about a stretch godfather.
Logic is a commodity in short supply these days.

I would not have to spell this type of shit out if everyone with a knee-jerk opinion on matters of such importance would just think for themselves and do their OWN research. Maybe it's something in the water.....or in the kool-aid?

[thegodfather]

Then you must believe that the other 5 countries and the former US President that had the same intelligence lied as well. If Bush was knowingly lying about WMDs, he would have at least planted some to back up his story.

“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors”
- President William Jefferson Clinton 12/16/98

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
–President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“The intelligence which the president shared with us was in line with what we saw in the White House…” - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, 2003

US intel said it. England's intel said it. Israel's intel said it. France's intel said it. China's intel said it. And Russia's intel said it.
But Bush alone lied about the intel? Talk about a stretch godfather.
Logic is a commodity in short supply these days.

I would not have to spell this type of shit out if everyone with a knee-jerk opinion on matters of such importance would just think for themselves and do their OWN research. Maybe it's something in the water.....or in the kool-aid?

The question remains...Once we got there and found no WMDs, why did we stay there? All of a sudden we want to give Democracy to the Iraqi people, WHO DONT WANT IT? They have said over and over again that they want an Islamic ruled government. Who are we to impose Democracy on them?

I would even go so far as to say that Bush genuinely believed there were WMDs in the country. But once evidence of such was not found, why have we stayed there for years and years on end? If you could present me with some LOGICAL reasons I'd be very pleased.