"Putin vows 'arms race' response"

[Logan13]

So if russia wants to build a missile shield in mexico, just for defensive purposed offcourse, you would not think that is a insult towards america?

When this becomes reality and not theory, we will discuss....
Until then, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
We have been through this, it is a defensive weapon.

[Pooks]

When this becomes reality and not theory, we will discuss....
Until then, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
We have been through this, it is a defensive weapon.

YEP USA still number 1..

Russia couldn't deploy such a system, even if they wanted too.. hell maybe the really want too.. but can't... why can't they..

cause of USA!! haha Russia OWNED.

[Kärnfysikern]

When this becomes reality and not theory, we will discuss....
Until then, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
We have been through this, it is a defensive weapon.

One has everything to do with the other, you and me both know that if that where to happen you would find it incredibly offensive. I dont understand your inability to look at this from a russian perspective? It doesnt matter if it is a defensive weapon or not. What matter is that it is souring the relation betwen Russia and NATO and no body gains from that. Its obvious to everyone on this planet, except you and Bush, that it is a incredibly offensive and insulting move.

Do you realy think the world will be a more secure place if america builds a completely useless missile shield in former warszawa pact countries and at the same time make a enemy of russia again?

If you want the word to become more secure enter into more stringent disarmament treaties with russia. Megatons to megawatts was a hell of a good start, imagine if someone during the cold war had said that around the year 2000 a large chunk of american electricity will be produced by uranium formerly used in warheads targeted at american cities.

[Pooks]

That's a child's argument..." look at it from my own viewpoint" "u're such a hypocrite" etc...

those are arguments made by the powerless, and those out of control.
That's what Russia is .. its like an adolescant.. Its trying to rebel but it can't, cause its weaker..

so lets look at it from the perspective on the United States.. U have this belligerent Russia, trying to act tough and big again..

Its a defeated Nation, trying to restore itself to past glory...

Like when Mike Tyson went up against Evander Holyfield for the second time..
he couln't do anything, other than bite Evander on the leg, and the ear..
and than just get knocked out...

so yeah Russia is still a danger.. so this shield is not useless. it has a major purpose to when ti comes to pack-order in the World.

it shields Europe and the United States from Russia, and keeps the two of us, more prominent and influencial in the world, than Russia.

[Logan13]

That's a child's argument..." look at it from my own viewpoint" "u're such a hypocrite" etc...

those are arguments made by the powerless, and those out of control.
That's what Russia is .. its like an adolescant.. Its trying to rebel but it can't, cause its weaker..

so lets look at it from the perspective on the United States.. U have this belligerent Russia, trying to act tough and big again..

Its a defeated Nation, trying to restore itself to past glory...

Like when Mike Tyson went up against Evander Holyfield for the second time..
he couln't do anything, other than bite Evander on the leg, and the ear..
and than just get knocked out...

so yeah Russia is still a danger.. so this shield is not useless. it has a major purpose to when ti comes to pack-order in the World.

it shields Europe and the United States from Russia, and keeps the two of us, more prominent and influencial in the world, than Russia.

Thank you for taking the time. I'm tired of replying to the same shit over and over.

[Kärnfysikern]

Thank you for taking the time. I'm tired of replying to the same shit over and over.

Yupp. good old USA can never do anything wrong and is always right no matter what.

[Pooks]

Yupp. good old USA can never do anything wrong and is always right no matter what.

I dont know the real purpose of the shield, but maybe it proves itself of use some day.

but.. We are blowing up a rogue sattelite soon! ..

I wish they'd stick a cam on that warhead, and we could watch it fly and hit.

[Logan13]

Yupp. good old USA can never do anything wrong and is always right no matter what.

alright.

[Kärnfysikern]

That's a child's argument..." look at it from my own viewpoint" "u're such a hypocrite" etc...

those are arguments made by the powerless, and those out of control.
That's what Russia is .. its like an adolescant.. Its trying to rebel but it can't, cause its weaker..

so lets look at it from the perspective on the United States.. U have this belligerent Russia, trying to act tough and big again..

Its a defeated Nation, trying to restore itself to past glory...

Like when Mike Tyson went up against Evander Holyfield for the second time..
he couln't do anything, other than bite Evander on the leg, and the ear..
and than just get knocked out...

so yeah Russia is still a danger.. so this shield is not useless. it has a major purpose to when ti comes to pack-order in the World.

it shields Europe and the United States from Russia, and keeps the two of us, more prominent and influencial in the world, than Russia.

The shield is completely and utterly useless. You are aware that Russia has more operational nuclear warheads than america?

The shield could perhaps stop a few ICBM if its lucky, but it could do nothing against a full scale attack from any of the major nuclear powers. Even china with just around 200 nukes could easily overwhelm it.

Not to mention it wouldnt do a thing against nuclear weapons launched from subs.

What should be done is that russia and the us agree to limit their nuclear stockpile to a few hundred nukes. More then enough for detereant and it will limit the risk of a nuke falling into the wrong hands alot.

[Amorphic]

The shield is completely and utterly useless. You are aware that Russia has more operational nuclear warheads than america?

The shield could perhaps stop a few ICBM if its lucky, but it could do nothing against a full scale attack from any of the major nuclear powers. Even china with just around 200 nukes could easily overwhelm it.

Not to mention it wouldnt do a thing against nuclear weapons launched from subs.

What should be done is that russia and the us agree to limit their nuclear stockpile to a few hundred nukes. More then enough for detereant and it will limit the risk of a nuke falling into the wrong hands alot.

i dont understand how logan and pooks can argue with something that is practically spoon fed to them and articulated so clearly.

it boggles my mind how some of you guys are so blindly patriotic to the point of national fundamentalism.

just because you live in the states does not mean that everything the US does is right, especially when its so completely obvious in this thread that russia is just trying to restore some of their previous strength and soverignity.

instead we get logan fabricating imaginary scenarios about china and russia bombing the states, come on.

the point has been proven by both karn and godfather, there is no rebuttal to be made about the FACTS

[Logan13]

i dont understand how logan and pooks can argue with something that is practically spoon fed to them and articulated so clearly.

it boggles my mind how some of you guys are so blindly patriotic to the point of national fundamentalism.

just because you live in the states does not mean that everything the US does is right, especially when its so completely obvious in this thread that russia is just trying to restore some of their previous strength and soverignity.

instead we get logan fabricating imaginary scenarios about china and russia bombing the states, come on.

the point has been proven by both karn and godfather, there is no rebuttal to be made about the FACTS

You have obviously picked your side, do not pretend to deny me the same courtesy. What is fact, that I should want a nuclear strong Russia? Why should I as an American want that? You can parcel all you want from your island of neutrality, my American family and I do not want to see another USSR. That, my friend, is the only fact that I care about. Let me guess, your another college student who thinks he knows evrything about world politics, right? Don't you have some homework to do?

[Amorphic]

You have obviously picked your side, do not pretend to deny me the same courtesy. What is fact, that I should want a nuclear strong Russia? Why should I as an American want that? You can parcel all you want from your island of neutrality, my American family and I do not want to see another USSR. That, my friend, is the only fact that I care about. Let me guess, your another college student who thinks he knows evrything about world politics, right? Don't you have some homework to do?

you fail to look at it from the standpoint of others. Why should the rest of the world want an arms rich america? why should russians have their soverienty threatened by one of the most weapons rich and (at this stage in history) agressive countries in the world.

Canada isnt an island either

I'm in college but i havent ever assumed i know everything about world politics, i just choose to look at the facts instead of being a stubborn nationalist.

and lastly, im on reading break for the week. no homework for me

[Kärnfysikern]

You have obviously picked your side, do not pretend to deny me the same courtesy. What is fact, that I should want a nuclear strong Russia? Why should I as an American want that? You can parcel all you want from your island of neutrality, my American family and I do not want to see another USSR. That, my friend, is the only fact that I care about. Let me guess, your another college student who thinks he knows evrything about world politics, right? Don't you have some homework to do?

Well the simple truth is that russia will continue to have the same nuclear capabilites that the us has and there is nothing anyone can do about it except russia itself. It will always be easier to build better rockets than to build a better shield.

If you really want a more secure word you should push your country to commit to more programs like megatons to megawatts. But peacefull programs might not be as sexy as building multi billion dollar useless shields?

[Pooks]

when its so completely obvious in this thread that russia is just trying to restore some of their previous strength and soverignity.

EXACTLY!!

its like this.. The United States has got the GIRL now..

but her ex BF the RUSSIA is trying to restore itself back to some position involvement in our lives..

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Hell yeah,, we'll try and kick them back down again..
thats how the world works.

We're number 1.. we got our buddies. . Europe.. Canada, Australia, Japan ok.. those are our buddies.. but they don't try and take our GF (shape global policies) away...they'll give input.. (maybe france a lil bit.. but thats the raunchy shaggy friend)

the Russian tried it after ww2.. and they lost.. and they'll lose again..

that might sound cocky.. but thats the attitude of confidence we need to portray.

[thegodfather]

That's a child's argument..." look at it from my own viewpoint" "u're such a hypocrite" etc...

those are arguments made by the powerless, and those out of control.
That's what Russia is .. its like an adolescant.. Its trying to rebel but it can't, cause its weaker..

so lets look at it from the perspective on the United States.. U have this belligerent Russia, trying to act tough and big again..

Its a defeated Nation, trying to restore itself to past glory...

Like when Mike Tyson went up against Evander Holyfield for the second time..
he couln't do anything, other than bite Evander on the leg, and the ear..
and than just get knocked out...

so yeah Russia is still a danger.. so this shield is not useless. it has a major purpose to when ti comes to pack-order in the World.

it shields Europe and the United States from Russia, and keeps the two of us, more prominent and influencial in the world, than Russia.

Wow....very impressive. That was a nice way to reduce your thinking to that of a neandrathal, pre homosapien type thinking right there. "The strong control the weak." Is that how it is? What an arrogant attitude to have about the rest of the world. Just because you are the most powerful, does not necessarily mean that you should do whatever the hell you please on any given day, and say screw you to the rest of the world. You think that because we are the worlds #1 superpower that we can run around and do whatever we like, piss off other nations, and say tough shit do something about it? How bout that, are you willing to risk YOUR mom, dad, son, brother, or sisters life to do so? Until then, you might want to keep your opinions and blazen disregard to other humans in the world to yourself.

I thought that Imperialism ended shortly after the 1800s? Perhaps I was mistaken, there still seem to be simple minded people in the world that think we should be able to control other SOVEREIGN entitys. What a crock of shit. We sure do talk a big game about being the example to the rest of the world for individual liberty, but our countries actions and policies sure do contraindict that.


ARROGANT.... Definition:
making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud:

Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.

having or showing feelings of unwarranted importance out of overbearing pride;

[Pooks]

Its only arrogance if its based on ignorance..

this is not..

these are facts.
We are the alpha-nation..

like the Alpha-male guys get the chicks, and the loser does not.
The same concept works with nations.
The strong get the resources, the weak do not.

This is a human condition, this is normal.
All other thinking, is socialist marxist brainwashing, that sadly begins in this country once we enter school and get exposed to Teachers.

Teachers are gov't workers, who get paid by BIG GOVT.
they are socialists.

u need to realize that 12+ years of your life you are being trained to act the opposite of what is natural..

people need to take control over their own lifes and responsibilities once you are on your own,.. or u'll end up just another democratic vote, giving your money to them in tax form, and not even sure why u do it.. but it has something to do with being 'good'.

being 'good' cause you give the government money.

**** THAT!!

be good by keeping that money, and spend it on opening a business, and hire people..

GO RON PAUL!
Ron Paul is a republican for a reason.
its the lesser of 2 evils.. Democrats are fascists haehe

[Logan13]

Wow....very impressive. That was a nice way to reduce your thinking to that of a neandrathal, pre homosapien type thinking right there. "The strong control the weak." Is that how it is? What an arrogant attitude to have about the rest of the world. Just because you are the most powerful, does not necessarily mean that you should do whatever the hell you please on any given day, and say screw you to the rest of the world. You think that because we are the worlds #1 superpower that we can run around and do whatever we like, piss off other nations, and say tough shit do something about it? How bout that, are you willing to risk YOUR mom, dad, son, brother, or sisters life to do so? Until then, you might want to keep your opinions and blazen disregard to other humans in the world to yourself.

I thought that Imperialism ended shortly after the 1800s? Perhaps I was mistaken, there still seem to be simple minded people in the world that think we should be able to control other SOVEREIGN entitys. What a crock of shit. We sure do talk a big game about being the example to the rest of the world for individual liberty, but our countries actions and policies sure do contraindict that.


ARROGANT.... Definition:
making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud:

Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.

having or showing feelings of unwarranted importance out of overbearing pride;

another post by you that attempts to discredit the US...........

[BG]

One has everything to do with the other, you and me both know that if that where to happen you would find it incredibly offensive. I dont understand your inability to look at this from a russian perspective? It doesnt matter if it is a defensive weapon or not. What matter is that it is souring the relation betwen Russia and NATO and no body gains from that. Its obvious to everyone on this planet, except you and Bush, that it is a incredibly offensive and insulting move.

Do you realy think the world will be a more secure place if america builds a completely useless missile shield in former warszawa pact countries and at the same time make a enemy of russia again?

If you want the word to become more secure enter into more stringent disarmament treaties with russia. Megatons to megawatts was a hell of a good start, imagine if someone during the cold war had said that around the year 2000 a large chunk of american electricity will be produced by uranium formerly used in warheads targeted at american cities.

Well said !!!!!