Vatican lists "new sins," including pollution

[Kärnfysikern]

umm, the difference be twins and human clones? Well, twins are natural and have been occuring since the beginning of time and human clones at this point is still science fiction, i.e. there has not been a human clone ever. You lost me on that one Karn.

What I mean is that the end result of cloning a human is exactly the same as giving birth to twins. Two genetically identical humans. I se no point in cloning humans, but I dont se any moral objection to it either.

Hopefully we will be able to clone organs in the future and that way make sure no one has to wait for a transplant.

[kfrost06]

What I mean is that the end result of cloning a human is exactly the same as giving birth to twins. Two genetically identical humans. I se no point in cloning humans, but I dont se any moral objection to it either.

Hopefully we will be able to clone organs in the future and that way make sure no one has to wait for a transplant.

When it comes to organs, I agree, it would be hard not to agree. As to the first part there is a lot of gray area. I am far from an expert on this field but I recall reading that the clones are far from being a twin. The cloned genes have big problems with mutating, becoming diseased and dying much earlier then the parent clone(and this includes Dolly). In terms of being sinful or in terms of morality one must look at the possible exploytation of clones. Would we start cloning "perfect genes" to get the perfect race, similar to what Hitler had in mind. Granted, I am being the devils advocate here. I know there can be great potential in cloning, like organ replacement. I am simply pointing out that it's a new field and it's not black and white. There is potential for abuse. Is the new clone going to have the same rights as a natural born person? questions that must be answered at some point and I will not write off as a big pile of BS to question the "sinfulness" or at least the potential of sinfulness in the field.

[Kärnfysikern]

When it comes to organs, I agree, it would be hard not to agree. As to the first part there is a lot of gray area. I am far from an expert on this field but I recall reading that the clones are far from being a twin. The cloned genes have big problems with mutating, becoming diseased and dying much earlier then the parent clone(and this includes Dolly). In terms of being sinful or in terms of morality one must look at the possible exploytation of clones. Would we start cloning "perfect genes" to get the perfect race, similar to what Hitler had in mind. Granted, I am being the devils advocate here. I know there can be great potential in cloning, like organ replacement. I am simply pointing out that it's a new field and it's not black and white. There is potential for abuse. Is the new clone going to have the same rights as a natural born person? questions that must be answered at some point and I will not write off as a big pile of BS to question the "sinfulness" or at least the potential of sinfulness in the field.

I agree that there are alot of possibilities with biotech that might be exploitable. But when it comes to creating "perfect" genes I dont se a problem. If I in say 20 years biotech has advanced enough so that we can eliminate all hereditary diseases and choose different things for our children I would not mind.

The morally wrong thing will be that in the initial transition period only some can afford to "modify" their children or themself while others cant. But that will equalise when the technology becomes more affordable. The same thing will happen with different kind of implants we will se in the close future that can boost memory, intelligence ect. At first only rich people will be able to afford it and a gap will be created betwen rich and poor.

The bottom line is that those kinds of technologies will be developed so the question is how are society going to handle it. But stating its a "sin" does nothing constructive to the situation. Humanity as a whole will in the long run benifit from it, but its going to create conflict inititialy.