Steroid.com members.... Can you help?

[Merc..]

You want us to post a link to your site on other peoples sites, but stictly forbid us to post links to other sites, or even state the names of other sites that we may belong to, on this site?

Its your site (and money), and I know my opinion doesn't matter, but isn't that a tad hypocritical? I completly understand why you do not want to advertise your compitions sites on your site....and like I said it is your site, do as you wish, as you seem to be doing it better than most...but IMHO asking us to promote your site in a manner that you forbid on your site seems wrong to me.

If this question is out of line...let me know and I will delete it, no disrespect meant.

It's not hypocritical, I think. On this site, you're asked to follow rules, just like on other sites. The rules are different. We don't allow posting other sites links, and other sites may not have that rule. If those other sites you visit do not have this rule, then Brian is just asking that you post a link to our vids on them.

[damiongage]

It's not hypocritical, I think. On this site, you're asked to follow rules, just like on other sites. The rules are different. We don't allow posting other sites links, and other sites may not have that rule. If those other sites you visit do not have this rule, then Brian is just asking that you post a link to our vids on them.

I think I put more thought into than just "following the rules." Or maybe it was the way it was phrased that threw me off. I will elaborate on the way I took it.

Rules are set for a reason. This rule is in place (IMO) as to not support other sites. I own a business and a web site, and I would be damned if I would let someone post my competitors information on the site I pay for, much less a link to their site. So that I get. But on the flip side, I would not ask my clients to go on my competitors websites and post links to my site. I would not only feel like a hypocrite...but felt that I was compromising my charactor and implementing a "do as I say...not as I do" policy.

I have been a member here along time, and seen many changes (longer than alot/most of the vets and mods). Some changes I like and some I did/do not agree with. But I do not pay for the site and respect Brians right to do as he wishes with the site he pays for.

While I understand why he would want us to post links here:

more links= more hits and members
more members = more money for the sponsors
more money for sponsors= more money for Brian and staff

And I am sure it takes alot more than I know to run this place...especially with the new videos and studio. But never sacrifice pricaples for profit.

Again...I have a habbit of reading too much into things, and my intention was not to challange Brians charactor (especially in an open forum), as I do not ever wish to disrespect anyone. Just offering my opinion for cosideration. He is a smart guy and maybe he will post a little more of his thought process behind this thread. Not that I feel I deserve one, more like I would be interested to here his thought procees on this.

If a mod or Brian feels this is disrespectful please just delete it and send me a PM, as that was not my intention.

[Merc..]

I think I put more thought into than just "following the rules." Or maybe it was the way it was phrased that threw me off. I will elaborate on the way I took it.

Rules are set for a reason. This rule is in place (IMO) as to not support other sites. I own a business and a web site, and I would be damned if I would let someone post my competitors information on the site I pay for, much less a link to their site. So that I get. But on the flip side, I would not ask my clients to go on my competitors websites and post links to my site. I would not only feel like a hypocrite...but felt that I was compromising my charactor and implementing a "do as I say...not as I do" policy.

I have been a member here along time, and seen many changes (longer than alot/most of the vets and mods). Some changes I like and some I did/do not agree with. But I do not pay for the site and respect Brians right to do as he wishes with the site he pays for.

While I understand why he would want us to post links here:

more links= more hits and members
more members = more money for the sponsors
more money for sponsors= more money for Brian and staff

And I am sure it takes alot more than I know to run this place...especially with the new videos and studio. But never sacrifice pricaples for profit.



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I don't know if members are "clients"...we get a free place to hang out and learn about steroids. If we were clients, we'd be paying. Advertisers are clients, I think...because I'm sure they pay. But members on a free site really aren't. I know where you're coming from though.

I do know that based on the price of the profiles (there's was a thread on here where) Brian offered $200-250/profile for people to improve the site. And if you do the math, there's over 50 profiles...so Brian paid like over $10k to give us members something for free to learn from. And those profiles have always been free for us.

God knows what it costs for a 5-10 page article. But there's tons of them on the main page that Brian must have paid A-Rob to write. And we get them for free...I can't imagine a better deal. HE pays $15k+ and we get all of it for free.

And in terms of competitors, steroid.com doesn't have any! If a site really thinks they're our (this site, you and me, and Brian and Tony - all of us are in this together) competitors, then they won't allow the link. Brian chooses to run his business this way. Most steroid discussion sites on the 'net are hobbies, not businesses I think. I could always be wrong, but if this were my living, I wouldn't allow people to outlink.

If it were my hobby, then I would. We all know this site isn't a hobby. This is serious.

Also, we (all of us!) have a bigger role than those other sites, in terms of steroids and responsibility.. When the authors of the BALCO steroid book "Game of Shadows" needed to know about winstrol, where did they turn? Steroid.com (we are mentioned in chapter 8's references). Where did the NY Times turn? Or the BBC? Or Yahoo Sports? C'mon...we have a huge responsibility here, and we should ALL be on board. We should help any way we can I think.

We may even be helping a university conduct a study soon, and Anthony (wonder why we haven't heard from him in so long?) is on the phone daily with the media, doing interviews, and getting the truth out there. We'll be helping promote a steroid documentary (Bigger, Stronger, Faster, By Chris Bell).

In June Anthony will be speaking in front of 500 people about steroids, at an academic event. Telling the truth to people who matter. That takes money for him (and us) to have the time, resources, and support to research. And that takes this site. And I think linking to us outside will help all of that.

And that means if we can link others to here, we should. At least I think so.

When these other sites do what Brian has graciously allowed us the voice and resources to do, then maybe we'll link to them too. This is too important not to help us with, for every member.

Sorry if I seem heated, I just know what goes on every day with steroid.com and all of that (friends with Tony, and work with him as the President of Muscle Evolution), and I know that all of us benefit from this site and no other site is trying to really change things in the steroid world (unless complaining = trying).

I just think, and maybe I'm out of line (I don't mean to be) that this site is doing so much for every single steroid user out there that in this case we deserve links on other sites regardless of reciprocation.

[rockinred]

Merc,

I agree and you explained it better....I am a business man so I process things like this from a business perspective.... but, i do say that things that are done and acted upon have various motives and I can't say charity is the only motive for all actions.... You have an insider perspective and that is the only way to really explain it... damiongage is calling out for an answer in front of all and basically i offered him and others that read a different perspective because nothing was being said about his perspective, but like i said it might have been a bad analogy and what was needed was an insiders perpective... which you gave and is good.

[legobricks]

I don't know if members are "clients"...we get a free place to hang out and learn about steroids. If we were clients, we'd be paying. Advertisers are clients, I think...because I'm sure they pay. But members on a free site really aren't. I know where you're coming from though.

I do know that based on the price of the profiles (there's was a thread on here where) Brian offered $200-250/profile for people to improve the site. And if you do the math, there's over 50 profiles...so Brian paid like over $10k to give us members something for free to learn from. And those profiles have always been free for us.

God knows what it costs for a 5-10 page article. But there's tons of them on the main page that Brian must have paid A-Rob to write. And we get them for free...I can't imagine a better deal. HE pays $15k+ and we get all of it for free.

And in terms of competitors, steroid.com doesn't have any! If a site really thinks they're our (this site, you and me, and Brian and Tony - all of us are in this together) competitors, then they won't allow the link. Brian chooses to run his business this way. Most steroid discussion sites on the 'net are hobbies, not businesses I think. I could always be wrong, but if this were my living, I wouldn't allow people to outlink.

If it were my hobby, then I would. We all know this site isn't a hobby. This is serious.

Also, we (all of us!) have a bigger role than those other sites, in terms of steroids and responsibility.. When the authors of the BALCO steroid book "Game of Shadows" needed to know about winstrol, where did they turn? Steroid.com (we are mentioned in chapter 8's references). Where did the NY Times turn? Or the BBC? Or Yahoo Sports? C'mon...we have a huge responsibility here, and we should ALL be on board. We should help any way we can I think.

We may even be helping a university conduct a study soon, and Anthony (wonder why we haven't heard from him in so long?) is on the phone daily with the media, doing interviews, and getting the truth out there. We'll be helping promote a steroid documentary (Bigger, Stronger, Faster, By Chris Bell).

In June Anthony will be speaking in front of 500 people about steroids, at an academic event. Telling the truth to people who matter. That takes money for him (and us) to have the time, resources, and support to research. And that takes this site. And I think linking to us outside will help all of that.

And that means if we can link others to here, we should. At least I think so.

When these other sites do what Brian has graciously allowed us the voice and resources to do, then maybe we'll link to them too. This is too important not to help us with, for every member.

Sorry if I seem heated, I just know what goes on every day with steroid.com and all of that (friends with Tony, and work with him as the President of Muscle Evolution), and I know that all of us benefit from this site and no other site is trying to really change things in the steroid world (unless complaining = trying).

I just think, and maybe I'm out of line (I don't mean to be) that this site is doing so much for every single steroid user out there that in this case we deserve links on other sites regardless of reciprocation.

I dont think Ive ever seen Merc even "heated" yet?

But you make a 100% valid point in which I believe everyone should listen to. Everyone here recieves free advice/knowledge/and even entertainment that has been paid for out of pocket by Brian. Not many people realize that he is trying to promote something that will help people in the steroid world, not make money! Granted everyone NEEDS money in order to survive, the staff here at AR is making this a better place for everyone who has been involved or knows people who are involved in AAS.

Asking another board to check out the videos, not the forum, is not a bad idea nor is it contradicting to what the rules are here. Brian and the staff have clearly set some rules in place to stay out of the troubled steroid forums and make this place safer for everyone. As stated there are many open source boards out there that made lots of money from advertising but alot of them are either shut down OR dont post sources anymore due to the recent busts in the AAS world. Again it was something that Brian wanted to stay away from to keep all the memebers here safe, not looking for illegal/controlled substances, but getting science and personal experience behind them. Again only to help members. By having all the members here (whom should be dedicated due to getting all information here for free) helping Brian out by putting his video out there is only returning the favor to him!

I understand where some of you may be coming from in regards to being "contradicting" but to be honest if the other boards out there do not have rules about it then post it up! If there are rules saying no posting it then either DONT post there to save face OR if you dont care then post. ITs all up to you, either way if its not allowed it will be edited. These are internet forums for people to gather tons of GOOD information from and i think that posting a link to the videos will only help the steroid world as a whole, NOT just steroid.com

And everyone has to realize that this board is not just "hey is this cycle good" type of advice, the advise given here normally asks for stats, current diet, training, how many years of using AAS; It is what would be best for the user to properly use the substance and obtain the best/safest results out of it. The people here giving advise know what they are tlaking about due to experience/research. Also don't forget the patience and time members/staff put in to help out the ignorant and uneducated on the topic of AAS. ITs about doing things right the first time so later problems can be avoided.

Do Brian, the staff whom put in hard work to make all information/videos available, and all other AAS users a favor and post the link. He is ASKING you guys to do him this one favor and I dont think its that difficult of a task to do.

[PEWN]

I dont think Ive ever seen Merc even "heated" yet?

But you make a 100% valid point in which I believe everyone should listen to. Everyone here recieves free advice/knowledge/and even entertainment that has been paid for out of pocket by Brian. Not many people realize that he is trying to promote something that will help people in the steroid world, not make money! Granted everyone NEEDS money in order to survive, the staff here at AR is making this a better place for everyone who has been involved or knows people who are involved in AAS.

Asking another board to check out the videos, not the forum, is not a bad idea nor is it contradicting to what the rules are here. Brian and the staff have clearly set some rules in place to stay out of the troubled steroid forums and make this place safer for everyone. As stated there are many open source boards out there that made lots of money from advertising but alot of them are either shut down OR dont post sources anymore due to the recent busts in the AAS world. Again it was something that Brian wanted to stay away from to keep all the memebers here safe, not looking for illegal/controlled substances, but getting science and personal experience behind them. Again only to help members. By having all the members here (whom should be dedicated due to getting all information here for free) helping Brian out by putting his video out there is only returning the favor to him!

I understand where some of you may be coming from in regards to being "contradicting" but to be honest if the other boards out there do not have rules about it then post it up! If there are rules saying no posting it then either DONT post there to save face OR if you dont care then post. ITs all up to you, either way if its not allowed it will be edited. These are internet forums for people to gather tons of GOOD information from and i think that posting a link to the videos will only help the steroid world as a whole, NOT just steroid.com

And everyone has to realize that this board is not just "hey is this cycle good" type of advice, the advise given here normally asks for stats, current diet, training, how many years of using AAS; It is what would be best for the user to properly use the substance and obtain the best/safest results out of it. The people here giving advise know what they are tlaking about due to experience/research. Also don't forget the patience and time members/staff put in to help out the ignorant and uneducated on the topic of AAS. ITs about doing things right the first time so later problems can be avoided.

Do Brian, the staff whom put in hard work to make all information/videos available, and all other AAS users a favor and post the link. He is ASKING you guys to do him this one favor and I dont think its that difficult of a task to do.

+1 good post merc

[ChuckLee]

I don't know if members are "clients"...we get a free place to hang out and learn about steroids. If we were clients, we'd be paying. Advertisers are clients, I think...because I'm sure they pay. But members on a free site really aren't. I know where you're coming from though.

I do know that based on the price of the profiles (there's was a thread on here where) Brian offered $200-250/profile for people to improve the site. And if you do the math, there's over 50 profiles...so Brian paid like over $10k to give us members something for free to learn from. And those profiles have always been free for us.

God knows what it costs for a 5-10 page article. But there's tons of them on the main page that Brian must have paid A-Rob to write. And we get them for free...I can't imagine a better deal. HE pays $15k+ and we get all of it for free.

And in terms of competitors, steroid.com doesn't have any! If a site really thinks they're our (this site, you and me, and Brian and Tony - all of us are in this together) competitors, then they won't allow the link. Brian chooses to run his business this way. Most steroid discussion sites on the 'net are hobbies, not businesses I think. I could always be wrong, but if this were my living, I wouldn't allow people to outlink.

If it were my hobby, then I would. We all know this site isn't a hobby. This is serious.

Also, we (all of us!) have a bigger role than those other sites, in terms of steroids and responsibility.. When the authors of the BALCO steroid book "Game of Shadows" needed to know about winstrol, where did they turn? Steroid.com (we are mentioned in chapter 8's references). Where did the NY Times turn? Or the BBC? Or Yahoo Sports? C'mon...we have a huge responsibility here, and we should ALL be on board. We should help any way we can I think.

We may even be helping a university conduct a study soon, and Anthony (wonder why we haven't heard from him in so long?) is on the phone daily with the media, doing interviews, and getting the truth out there. We'll be helping promote a steroid documentary (Bigger, Stronger, Faster, By Chris Bell).

In June Anthony will be speaking in front of 500 people about steroids, at an academic event. Telling the truth to people who matter. That takes money for him (and us) to have the time, resources, and support to research. And that takes this site. And I think linking to us outside will help all of that.

And that means if we can link others to here, we should. At least I think so.

When these other sites do what Brian has graciously allowed us the voice and resources to do, then maybe we'll link to them too. This is too important not to help us with, for every member.

Sorry if I seem heated, I just know what goes on every day with steroid.com and all of that (friends with Tony, and work with him as the President of Muscle Evolution), and I know that all of us benefit from this site and no other site is trying to really change things in the steroid world (unless complaining = trying).

I just think, and maybe I'm out of line (I don't mean to be) that this site is doing so much for every single steroid user out there that in this case we deserve links on other sites regardless of reciprocation.

If all the people who would know something about steroids, if they are safe, how they could risk using them, which sides are possible, what they do and what they need to work, were here and read what this board can offer in terms of free info, then steroids world will be seen under another point of view, a way better one.
Peolple that even blame all things regarding chemicals use in sports, would change their mind reading the amazing infos and suggestion that A-Rob, the staff and even all members contribute to spread.
Merc, yours is a great clarification on what this board is in the actuality of steroids. I don't know if there is a profit aiming for the banners in this thread, and sincerely I don't care.
I know for sure that if I had the possibility to diffuse the name of steroid.com in all the bodybuilding and fitness websites of the net, I would do.
But personally I don't bother searching other websites instead of steroid.com and the forum, because here and NOWHERE else I can feel better and find whatever I'm searching for.

SO
THANKS MERC.
THANKS STEROID.COM

Regards
CL

[Merc..]

If all the people who would know something about steroids, if they are safe, how they could risk using them, which sides are possible, what they do and what they need to work, were here and read what this board can offer in terms of free info, then steroids world will be seen under another point of view, a way better one.
Peolple that even blame all things regarding chemicals use in sports, would change their mind reading the amazing infos and suggestion that A-Rob, the staff and even all members contribute to spread.
Merc, yours is a great clarification on what this board is in the actuality of steroids. I don't know if there is a profit aiming for the banners in this thread, and sincerely I don't care.
I know for sure that if I had the possibility to diffuse the name of steroid.com in all the bodybuilding and fitness websites of the net, I would do.
But personally I don't bother searching other websites instead of steroid.com and the forum, because here and NOWHERE else I can feel better and find whatever I'm searching for.

SO
THANKS MERC.
THANKS STEROID.COM

Regards
CL

[Big]

If all the people who would know something about steroids, if they are safe, how they could risk using them, which sides are possible, what they do and what they need to work, were here and read what this board can offer in terms of free info, then steroids world will be seen under another point of view, a way better one.
Peolple that even blame all things regarding chemicals use in sports, would change their mind reading the amazing infos and suggestion that A-Rob, the staff and even all members contribute to spread.
Merc, yours is a great clarification on what this board is in the actuality of steroids. I don't know if there is a profit aiming for the banners in this thread, and sincerely I don't care.
I know for sure that if I had the possibility to diffuse the name of steroid.com in all the bodybuilding and fitness websites of the net, I would do.
But personally I don't bother searching other websites instead of steroid.com and the forum, because here and NOWHERE else I can feel better and find whatever I'm searching for.

SO
THANKS MERC.
THANKS STEROID.COM

Regards
CL

VERY well stated as always, Chuck.

[Booz]

I think I put more thought into than just "following the rules." Or maybe it was the way it was phrased that threw me off. I will elaborate on the way I took it.

Rules are set for a reason. This rule is in place (IMO) as to not support other sites. I own a business and a web site, and I would be damned if I would let someone post my competitors information on the site I pay for, much less a link to their site. So that I get. But on the flip side, I would not ask my clients to go on my competitors websites and post links to my site. I would not only feel like a hypocrite...but felt that I was compromising my charactor and implementing a "do as I say...not as I do" policy.

I have been a member here along time, and seen many changes (longer than alot/most of the vets and mods). Some changes I like and some I did/do not agree with. But I do not pay for the site and respect Brians right to do as he wishes with the site he pays for.

While I understand why he would want us to post links here:

more links= more hits and members
more members = more money for the sponsors
more money for sponsors= more money for Brian and staff And I am sure it takes alot more than I know to run this place...especially with the new videos and studio. But never sacrifice pricaples for profit.

Again...I have a habbit of reading too much into things, and my intention was not to challange Brians charactor (especially in an open forum), as I do not ever wish to disrespect anyone. Just offering my opinion for cosideration. He is a smart guy and maybe he will post a little more of his thought process behind this thread. Not that I feel I deserve one, more like I would be interested to here his thought procees on this.

If a mod or Brian feels this is disrespectful please just delete it and send me a PM, as that was not my intention.

i do not know wat ''staff'' you are reffering to but we do not get paid to help out here...................

[Merc..]

i do not know wat ''staff'' you are reffering to but we do not get paid to help out here...................

You do realize that mods do not make up the entire staff ?? There are full time employee's at s.com's offices ....

Merc.

[STEROIDMD]

I think I put more thought into than just "following the rules." Or maybe it was the way it was phrased that threw me off. I will elaborate on the way I took it.

Rules are set for a reason. This rule is in place (IMO) as to not support other sites. I own a business and a web site, and I would be damned if I would let someone post my competitors information on the site I pay for, much less a link to their site. So that I get. But on the flip side, I would not ask my clients to go on my competitors websites and post links to my site. I would not only feel like a hypocrite...but felt that I was compromising my charactor and implementing a "do as I say...not as I do" policy.

I have been a member here along time, and seen many changes (longer than alot/most of the vets and mods). Some changes I like and some I did/do not agree with. But I do not pay for the site and respect Brians right to do as he wishes with the site he pays for.

While I understand why he would want us to post links here:

more links= more hits and members
more members = more money for the sponsors
more money for sponsors= more money for Brian and staff

And I am sure it takes alot more than I know to run this place...especially with the new videos and studio. But never sacrifice pricaples for profit.

Again...I have a habbit of reading too much into things, and my intention was not to challange Brians charactor (especially in an open forum), as I do not ever wish to disrespect anyone. Just offering my opinion for cosideration. He is a smart guy and maybe he will post a little more of his thought process behind this thread. Not that I feel I deserve one, more like I would be interested to here his thought procees on this.

If a mod or Brian feels this is disrespectful please just delete it and send me a PM, as that was not my intention.

Very well thought out and respectful bro. I understand your point. Its a legit question IMHO.