obama: what a joke

[lotaquestions]

Please post any racists comment made by Mrs. Obama.

i dont know where to find it, but i think that it is something she wrote in one of her thesis papers where she said that she would put the agenda of the black race first.

[SMCengineer]

You can't say definatively that I'm wrong because from its inception the document was open to interpretation. The best example was the 'All men are created equal' part. The founding fathers initial interpretation was all white land holding men. And the fact that they weren't the only ones to 'interpret' the document proves I am not wrong. But trying to debate you on this is like trying to debate a fundamentalist christian about the bible and whether or not its open to interpretation.

No, you are definitively wrong. I'm sorry, there's really no way around it. If you believe that the constitution is a fluid document than your allowing lawmakers and politicians to do as they see fit and obviously they will abuse that power. That's why it's not meant for interpretation.

The example of 'All men are created equal' is probably the worst example you could give as it completely solidfies my point. The fact that pre-civil war politicians interpreted that to exclude blacks on the premise that they are property proves that the constitution should be strictly followed. If it was strictly followed than slavery would have stopped with the ratification of the constitution. The founding fathers knew that slavery would be a huge detriment to the newly formed states, but they also knew that forcing southern plantation owners to give up their slaves would mean slave states would not ratify the constitution and it also meant certain economic collapse. The term 'All men are created equal' was not put in by mistake and was not meant for interpretation.

I assume you would be classified as a constitutional fundamentalist correct?

I think you'd be too if you just realize how much the constitution changed the entire world in such a short time. Before the constitution was ratified and free markets were fully realized, countries made very little progress in terms of technological and economic advances. After the constitution was ratified, the world literally advanced at an exponential rate. That's not a coincidence.

In reference to the border patrol agents in Iraq, where did you get that info. I'm not disputing your claim its just that is information I've never heard. And how would those agents be able to assist the Iraqis with military strategy (since Iraq borders are threatened by military force and not people wanting to come for jobs)? Isn't that best suited for our military (green berets)?

http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/05/border_patrol_a.php

[thegodfather]

BgMc31...

You support Obama's stance on gun control and conceal&carry despite the fact that ALL of the statistics prove that conceal&carry lowers crime rates and makes the people at large safer?

This is a huge issue for me. I feel very strongly about someone who would pass legislation that would make me an easy victim to those who would seek to do me harm. Democrats give a lot of lip service about keeping handguns out of the wrong hands. All that gun legislation does, is take guns out of the RIGHT hands, the hands of the law abiding citizens who purchase them legally. Criminals get a hold of them no matter what, that is why they are criminals, they break the laws.

[zartan]

Please post any racists comment made by Mrs. Obama.

Originally Posted by zartan
Michelle Obama:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=335303

dude check out the thread, you WERE there and posted on it.

[BgMc31]

BgMc31...

You support Obama's stance on gun control and conceal&carry despite the fact that ALL of the statistics prove that conceal&carry lowers crime rates and makes the people at large safer?

This is a huge issue for me. I feel very strongly about someone who would pass legislation that would make me an easy victim to those who would seek to do me harm. Democrats give a lot of lip service about keeping handguns out of the wrong hands. All that gun legislation does, is take guns out of the RIGHT hands, the hands of the law abiding citizens who purchase them legally. Criminals get a hold of them no matter what, that is why they are criminals, they break the laws.

Godfather,

I don't support a ban on conceal and carry (I have my conceal and carry permit here in nevada). I support a ban on assault weapons.

But I do have a question. Those stats about the safety of allowing people to conceal and carry are skewed a bit correct? The recent rash of gun deaths in the media showed most of these psychos were licensed gun owners not criminals buying them out of trunks of cars. Secondly NM (a state I resided in for 11yrs) has one of the highest homicide rates in the country per capita, as does southern Nevada, but both have conceal and carry laws. Like I said, I support conceal and carry by I don't think it makes people safer.

[BgMc31]

Originally Posted by zartan
Michelle Obama:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=335303
ut the thread, you WERE there and posted on it.

Yes I read thru her statements several times and found nothing racists . Please site examples of her racists statements.

[zartan]

Yes I read thru her statements several times and found nothing racists . Please site examples of her racists statements.

already went through all that in the thread, if you dont see it then trying to explain it is pointless. Like I said before, trying to explain the color blue to a blind man.

[zartan]

from her thesis:
"Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my "Blackness" than ever before. I found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second.
These experineces have made it apparent to me that the path I have chosen to follow by attending Princeton will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant. This realization has presently, made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the Black community more desireable."

[BITTAPART2]

man, I dont give a crap, for the past 8 years Ive been thinking I could do a better job as president of the US than George W Bush has done. Obama simply has to be able to read "my pet goat"...wait too long to respond to national disaster and go to war in the wrong country and hey, hes capable of being president. I am voting this year for whoever wants us to leave Iraq, whoever doesnt have revenue coming from oil companies and pharmeceutical comapnies and one who hasnet ever been into insider trading. So again anyone but Bush. how sad that Id even be relieved if crazy diapers Mcain won, and i cant stand that mini Bush

[zartan]

More pearls of wisdom from Michelle Obama:

“For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country, because it feels like hope is making a comeback.”

"I don't lose sleep over it, because the realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station, you know. So, you know, you can't -- you know, you can't make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen. We just weren't raised that way."

"I've got nothing in common with this guy. He grew up in Hawaii! Who grows up in Hawaii? He was biracial. I was like, okay, what's that about? And then it's a funny name, Barack Obama. Who names their child Barack Obama?"

[BITTAPART2]

guys.....who thinks George Bush is a racist? who thinks Obama is a racist? who thinks themsleves to be a racist? I believe we are all racist in some meaning of the word, but seriously, why no outrage when Bush was in office being a complete racist by actions rather than what he says?

[BgMc31]

Zartan, none of those statements made by her were racists. Keep trying! What do you call a person who sees something that isn't there? Dillusional!

[BITTAPART2]

im white and I havent been proud to be an american in 8 years

[lotaquestions]

guys.....who thinks George Bush is a racist? who thinks Obama is a racist? who thinks themsleves to be a racist? I believe we are all racist in some meaning of the word, but seriously, why no outrage when Bush was in office being a complete racist by actions rather than what he says?

what actions are you refering to?

[zartan]

Zartan, none of those statements made by her were racists. Keep trying! What do you call a person who sees something that isn't there? Dillusional!

What do you call a person with their head buried in the sand?

[BITTAPART2]

from her thesis:
"Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the white community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my "whiteness" than ever before. I found that at NC A&T no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my Black professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with blacks at NC A&T, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be white first and a student second.
These experineces have made it apparent to me that the path I have chosen to follow by attending NC A&T will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a black cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant. This realization has presently, made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the white community more desireable."

alright read my changs in red and tell me you wouldnt echo this sentiment?

[zartan]

"Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the White community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my "Whiteness" than ever before. I found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my Black professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second.
These experineces have made it apparent to me that the path I have chosen to follow by attending Princeton will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a Black cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant. This realization has presently, made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the White community more desireable."

[BITTAPART2]

^^^just like my highschool BTW. I felt the same as her but I was the 5% of white people at my inner city HS

[Carlos_E]

from her thesis:
"Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my "Blackness" than ever before. I found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second.
These experineces have made it apparent to me that the path I have chosen to follow by attending Princeton will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant. This realization has presently, made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the Black community more desireable."

I grew up in an all white town and was treated the same way as an outsider. I went to a predominately Black college so I could have exposure to Black culture and the Black community. She stated EXACTLY how I felt. That does not make me or her a separatist or racist. It's obvious you have a negative view of Obama and will look for anything not to like him.

^^^just like my highschool BTW. I felt the same as her but I was the 5% of white people at my inner city HS

We're the opposite of the same coin.

[BITTAPART2]

what actions are you refering to?

HURRICANE KATRINA for starters! do you think a bunch of oil rich rednecks would be stranded like that?

[zartan]

No actually I would vote for Obama over the old foguey. Its cool to be black, if anything. Look at the media, black is like 12% of the population but scan through the channels on TV. I think its ****ed up saying you will help any community based on their color. Help the ones that need it, poor, young, old, black OR white shouldn't be an issue.

[Carlos_E]

No actually I would vote for Obama over the old foguey. Its cool to be black, if anything. Look at the media, black is like 12% of the population but scan through the channels on TV. I think its ****ed up saying you will help any community based on their color. Help the ones that need it, poor, young, old, black OR white shouldn't be an issue.

Tell that to the Jewish and Asian communities in America. Last time I check they help themselves.

[BITTAPART2]

I think racism and clasism are becoming very very similar, I believe classism is a lot worse though. Republicans like Bush will not help poor people period! its that arrogant attitude that only people whove been born into a rich family and spoon fed through college on daddys dime will say that crap about "you are where you are becuae you out yoursefl there" a load of crap IMO. If you were born as dumb as george bush in the hood your ass would still be in the hood, but instead he was born a bush and now hes the GD president of the United States?

[lotaquestions]

HURRICANE KATRINA for starters! do you think a bunch of oil rich rednecks would be stranded like that?

didnt the black mayor of new orleans, who had the use of thousand of city buses and didnt use them do the same thing? what else did you want him to do, go pick them up in air force one?

[lotaquestions]

I think racism and clasism are becoming very very similar, I believe classism is a lot worse though. Republicans like Bush will not help poor people period! its that arrogant attitude that only people whove been born into a rich family and spoon fed through college on daddys dime will say that crap about "you are where you are becuae you out yoursefl there" a load of crap IMO. If you were born as dumb as george bush in the hood your ass would still be in the hood, but instead he was born a bush and now hes the GD president of the United States?

is there no level of personal responsibabilty in the US?

[BgMc31]

No actually I would vote for Obama over the old foguey. Its cool to be black, if anything. Look at the media, black is like 12% of the population but scan through the channels on TV. I think its ****ed up saying you will help any community based on their color. Help the ones that need it, poor, young, old, black OR white shouldn't be an issue.

Even with the plugins it doesn't make her a racists. You my find it messed up that people will help their own before others but that doesn't make one a racists. No where in her writings does she write about Black superiority or defame whites in any way. She was speaking from experiences.

Like Carlos said, Jews, Italians, Hispanics, etc., support their on first it doesn't make them racists. So why is Mrs. Obama a racists. I'm still waiting for a racist statement by her and so far you've produced zero!

[BITTAPART2]

is there no level of personal responsibabilty in the US?

^^^have you been raised in a black poverty stricken neighborhood? if so than ill shut up but otherwise you cant tell me how it is trying to overcome those obstacles bro

[BITTAPART2]

didnt the black mayor of new orleans, who had the use of thousand of city buses and didnt use them do the same thing? what else did you want him to do, go pick them up in air force one?

mayor...president hmmm huge national disaster killing thousands? a mayor should have dealt with that, the president should have waited, your exactly right....sarcasm

[BITTAPART2]

Even with the plugins it doesn't make her a racists. You my find it messed up that people will help their own before others but that doesn't make one a racists. No where in her writings does she write about Black superiority or defame whites in any way. She was speaking from experiences.

Like Carlos said, Jews, Italians, Hispanics, etc., support their on first it doesn't make them racists. So why is Mrs. Obama a racists. I'm still waiting for a racist statement by her and so far you've produced zero!

good point

[BITTAPART2]

and how is someone going to start a thread calling Borak Obama a joke? can you do what he did in the face of aversity or even without any adversity? gimmie a break, obama is far from a joke. He may not be your choice for president but this guy is something special, dont let your personal thoughts on POLOTICS get in the way of rationality, go to his website, see all the contributions, you think you could get anywhere near the following he has gotten? a joke, thats a joke

[zartan]

Even with the plugins it doesn't make her a racists. You my find it messed up that people will help their own before others but that doesn't make one a racists. No where in her writings does she write about Black superiority or defame whites in any way. She was speaking from experiences.

Like Carlos said, Jews, Italians, Hispanics, etc., support their on first it doesn't make them racists. So why is Mrs. Obama a racists. I'm still waiting for a racist statement by her and so far you've produced zero!

Oh so If I vote for Hitlery or a white person because she is 'my own' thats good?

[Carlos_E]

Oh so If I vote for Hitlery or a white person because she is 'my own' thats good?

Who is voting for Obama because he's Black?

[zartan]

Who is voting for Obama because he's Black?

The point is if we are gonna start 'looking after our own' where does that lead us? Certainly not presidential material.

[Carlos_E]

The point is if we are gonna start 'looking after our own' where does that lead us? Certainly not presidential material.

Since when is Michelle on the ticket? Are you not going to vote for McCain because his wife is a blonde bimbo ex drug addict? I don't see people dogging McCain because of it. Like I said. You're grasping for reasons not to like him.

[zartan]

Michelle is doing tons of campaigning, I think its abundantly clear this is one of those 2 for 1 deals. Also there is the whole guilty by association rule, as with Obama and his church that gave lewis pharakon a lifetime achievement award. You think if Mccain's church gave David Duke a lifetime achievement award it would be business as usual?

[AandF6969]

Godfather,

I don't support a ban on conceal and carry (I have my conceal and carry permit here in nevada). I support a ban on assault weapons.

But I do have a question. Those stats about the safety of allowing people to conceal and carry are skewed a bit correct? The recent rash of gun deaths in the media showed most of these psychos were licensed gun owners not criminals buying them out of trunks of cars. Secondly NM (a state I resided in for 11yrs) has one of the highest homicide rates in the country per capita, as does southern Nevada, but both have conceal and carry laws. Like I said, I support conceal and carry by I don't think it makes people safer.

Statistics show that concealed carry laws drop crime. The psychos that go out and shoot people, sure sometimes they own their gun legally but they do not have licenses to carry it... having the ability to buy a gun legally and carry a gun legally are two very different things. The STRICT strict background checks for CCW licenses catch things like mental health history, etc. I think we need stricter background checks. But, there have been documented (and underreported) cases where CCW holders have stopped rampages in progress and other crimes. The volunteer security guard that killed the dude in Colorado that was about to murder the entire church? Yep, her personal weapon, her CCW license. Appalacian school of Law in Virginia? Same thing. Interesting topic that is, out of ALL the media reports about the Appalacian law incident, only about 1% mentioned that the citizens who stopped the killer were armed. The rest said they "subdued" him.

Interviews with convicted felons have revealed that they're more scared of citizens with guns than the police.

By the way, are you aware that "assault weapon" is a term coined by the media and anti-gun lobbyists that refers to SEMI-automatic r***es that LOOK like military weapons? Functionally they're no different than a standard hunting r***e... but they look scary, and they LOOK like the fully-automatics that the military uses. They're no different than a semi-automatic hunting r***e. It's not like the movies where every gangster on every block has an AK47. They are only used in approximately 1.4% of firearm crimes in the U.S. Big problem though... .38 specials with duct taped handles that are wielded by crackheads are far more dangerous on an incident scale. Actually the New Jersey rate of firearm crime with "Assault r***es" is so low that officers have a higher chance of confronting an escaped tiger from the zoo than an assault r***e.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

[Carlos_E]

Michelle is doing tons of campaigning, I think its abundantly clear this is one of those 2 for 1 deals. Also there is the whole guilty by association rule, as with Obama and his church that gave lewis pharakon a lifetime achievement award. You think if Mccain's church gave David Duke a lifetime achievement award it would be business as usual?

Pat Robertson. No difference.

[lotaquestions]

mayor...president hmmm huge national disaster killing thousands? a mayor should have dealt with that, the president should have waited, your exactly right....sarcasm

im sorry if i dont feel any remorse for people who had three days to get out of a town and stayed so that they could rob and loot or are just to stupid to understand what a warning is. when i look on my tv and see a guy running from a store with a plasma tv while the streets are filled with water, im not going to feel sorry for the man if he drowns, sorry. accept responsibality for yourself, b/c in the end that is the only thing that you can control.

[STEROIDMD]

copy and paste, genius. Its not that hard. Conservative radio has a tendency to spin news in their favor. You should do your research before you post. You still haven't proven your statements as to why Obama's a racist as well.

He's guilty of racism by his close association with a racist. That pastor is/was part of his campaign. He's his personal friend and pastor of twenty years, the guy baptised his kids, and married him and his wife. He's trying to claim he'd knows nothing of his racist, kill whitey rhetoric? Give me a F**KIN brake!!! Imagine that was a white republican associated with that kind of racism...he'd be run right out of the senate and politics for life. Gotta love the double standard here...

[zartan]

Pat Robertson. No difference.

im pretty sure pat robertson was supporting giuliani. Is there something I dont know, from what I saw Mccain has denounced pat robertson http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/news/...aduation/2382/

either way its kind of a moot point, McCain is a complete asswipe.