obama: what a joke

[BgMc31]

i was giving you a personal insite to my life and experience with racism. what do you thing blacks are the only one who experience it? blacks are not the only people who have to over come poverty, but they are do get certain help that is not available to a white kid. they get this help just b/c they are black, not for any other reason. they dont have white only scholarships or whites only colleges (point of the story). this to me is the strongest example of racism in society to day. guess who are the ones being descriminated against? whites. there are more whites in poverty than blacks across our nation. in the last 400 yrs? yeah up to the 60s. but i get it man its cool to have someone to blame for all of your shortcomings. wether or not you think what the rev. said was racist or not, you cant deny that if it had been the preacher/mentor/bestfriend of any other canidate there shot at the presidency would be over with out a question. no one can deny that no matter what race they are.

p.s. im not going to post something personal that is not true. and if your curious he joined the military (mariens) and is married and adopted his younger brother who is 16.

Dude, the more you post the more ignorant you sound (ignorant = lack of knowledge)! Where to begin....

1. That story IS made up because there isn't a scholarship in the country that works like that. If its real please post the name of the scholarship so I can give it to the 15-20 kids who could benefit from it. A little lesson in the way 'open' scholarships work (open meaning available to all students, that are offered by major universities): If two students, one black and one white, have similar grades, test scores, and achievements AND if the university has a quota to fulfill (in order to receive government money to reflect the broader society), then the black student will be given the opportunity ahead of the white student. This is how all entitlement programs work. And don't give me this shit about lowering standards to accept minority kids because everyone benefits from that because standards are lowered for everyone.

2. Sure they're are scholarships offered to blacks simply because they are black, but all those scholarship are offered by private organization and they all have academic and civic requirements to benefit from the scholarship.

3. There are no 'BLACKS ONLY' colleges or universities. There are, however, 'historically' black colleges all of which have whites and other minorities attending. Ask Carlos, I believe he attended a historically black college. These institutions were born out of necessity because up until the early 70s there were many colleges that didn't allow blacks. But once school integration reached everywhere, many historically black colleges folded. Now how come no one ever calls the Ivy League or other large colleges 'Historically' white colleges? Maybe a bit of denial. Most of them still sport minority levels of less than 5%. Hell the college I went to had less than 3% black population, 99% of whom, male and female, we on athletic scholarship (myself included).

4. There are several 'whites' only scholarships available. The Knights of Columbus gives out scholarships to Italian-Americans. The Sons of the Confederacy and the Daughters of the Confederacy give out scholarships. Jewish organizations as well as Celtic/Gaelic/Scottish clan descendants (Wallace and Campbell come to mind off hand) also all give scholarships. There are a host of others.

5. What shortcomings do I have that I blamed whites for? You don't know me and I've posted before that I am successful in spite of my skin color not because of it. Check my post in the new member intro section for my background or better yet, come to Vegas and look me up to see for yourself.

6. The whining that Obama is getting preferential treatment when it comes to his association with Rev. Wright is absurd. The fact that John McCains spiritual adviser's hateful rhetoric have yet to be covered by the media. Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell similar comments and their support of conservative politicians is glanced over is proof that Obama is getting unfair treatment in this matter. How many time was his response speech (or portions of it) are replayed as compared to the times Rev. Wrights 'selective' comments are replayed?

In closing, the biggest load of bullshit out there is whites claiming they are the most discrimated against. The last time I checked they hold the majority of the position of power and make more money as opposed to other groups. Liie Chris Rock said "What are you complaining about? YOU'RE WHITE!" Wah, wah, wah, who's playing the victim now? Try whining to someone who doesn't pick up a book every now and then.

Blome, thanks for the intelligent question. I'll PM you my 'personal' experiences. But bear in mind that I haven't been oppressed because I chose not to be. I've found ways around racists obstacles all my life on my road to personal success. But thank God I had parents (yes a mother AND father) who were great examples of overcoming America's dirty little secret...racism!

[SMCengineer]

Blome, thanks for the intelligent question. I'll PM you my 'personal' experiences. But bear in mind that I haven't been oppressed because I chose not to be. I've found ways around racists obstacles all my life on my road to personal success. But thank God I had parents (yes a mother AND father) who were great examples of overcoming America's dirty little secret...racism!

I don't know if this was sarcasm or not (it is the internet), but that question was serious.

[lotaquestions]

Dude, the more you post the more ignorant you sound (ignorant = lack of knowledge)! Where to begin....

1. That story IS made up because there isn't a scholarship in the country that works like that. If its real please post the name of the scholarship so I can give it to the 15-20 kids who could benefit from it. A little lesson in the way 'open' scholarships work (open meaning available to all students, that are offered by major universities): If two students, one black and one white, have similar grades, test scores, and achievements AND if the university has a quota to fulfill (in order to receive government money to reflect the broader society), then the black student will be given the opportunity ahead of the white student. This is how all entitlement programs work. And don't give me this shit about lowering standards to accept minority kids because everyone benefits from that because standards are lowered for everyone.

im sorry im to ignorant to understand how a decesion based soley on ones race is not racism...please enlighten me. are we not supposed to be judged by character of a man not the color of his skin...if the white kid has better "character" than why doesnt he get excepted? it is b/c the color of his skin...tell me how lowering standards helps everyone? seems to me that the guy with the higher qualification is loosing, but i dont have any fancy facts to type or distorted data from the website of my choice to go by all i have is common sense.

[lotaquestions]

3. There are no 'BLACKS ONLY' colleges or universities. There are, however, 'historically' black colleges all of which have whites and other minorities attending. Ask Carlos, I believe he attended a historically black college. These institutions were born out of necessity because up until the early 70s there were many colleges that didn't allow blacks. But once school integration reached everywhere, many historically black colleges folded. Now how come no one ever calls the Ivy League or other large colleges 'Historically' white colleges? Maybe a bit of denial. Most of them still sport minority levels of less than 5%. Hell the college I went to had less than 3% black population, 99% of whom, male and female, we on athletic scholarship (myself included).

4. There are several 'whites' only scholarships available. The Knights of Columbus gives out scholarships to Italian-Americans. The Sons of the Confederacy and the Daughters of the Confederacy give out scholarships. Jewish organizations as well as Celtic/Gaelic/Scottish clan descendants (Wallace and Campbell come to mind off hand) also all give scholarships. There are a host of others.

5. What shortcomings do I have that I blamed whites for? You don't know me and I've posted before that I am successful in spite of my skin color not because of it. Check my post in the new member intro section for my background or better yet, come to Vegas and look me up to see for yourself.

6. The whining that Obama is getting preferential treatment when it comes to his association with Rev. Wright is absurd. The fact that John McCains spiritual adviser's hateful rhetoric have yet to be covered by the media. Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell similar comments and their support of conservative politicians is glanced over is proof that Obama is getting unfair treatment in this matter. How many time was his response speech (or portions of it) are replayed as compared to the times Rev. Wrights 'selective' comments are replayed?

In closing, the biggest load of bullshit out there is whites claiming they are the most discrimated against. The last time I checked they hold the majority of the position of power and make more money as opposed to other groups. Liie Chris Rock said "What are you complaining about? YOU'RE WHITE!" Wah, wah, wah, who's playing the victim now? Try whining to someone who doesn't pick up a book every now and then.

Blome, thanks for the intelligent question. I'll PM you my 'personal' experiences. But bear in mind that I haven't been oppressed because I chose not to be. I've found ways around racists obstacles all my life on my road to personal success. But thank God I had parents (yes a mother AND father) who were great examples of overcoming America's dirty little secret...racism!

3.these ivy legue colleges are predominatly white because they dont lower there standards to accept people who arnt qualified. im sorry that there is no magic black points.

4.i come from a AA school, i guess that we are not big enough for all these.

5.congradulations, please help others and set a good ex (not sarcastic, though every thing else on this post is)

6.come on man all minorities get a break on the race issue, i dont know why yu wont acknowledge it, even if you dont think that obama is. look at who you listed chris rock, is there any famous white comedian that could get away with the things he says? you know the answer.

and why would i remember the name of the scholarship if he didnt get it, or even if he did.

[BgMc31]

3.these ivy legue colleges are predominatly white because they dont lower there standards to accept people who arnt qualified. im sorry that there is no magic black points.

4.i come from a AA school, i guess that we are not big enough for all these.

5.congradulations, please help others and set a good ex (not sarcastic, though every thing else on this post is)

6.come on man all minorities get a break on the race issue, i dont know why yu wont acknowledge it, even if you dont think that obama is. look at who you listed chris rock, is there any famous white comedian that could get away with the things he says? you know the answer.

and why would i remember the name of the scholarship if he didnt get it, or even if he did.

So Ivy League schools don't give special 'black' points, I thought you said we get special treatment, so which is it? Make up your mind, you are starting to allow your anger to increase your ignorance. I on the other hand don't acknowledge minority special treatment because it doesn't exist. Prove to me that it does. Stats dude, where are your stats.

You have no idea what you are talking about do you? Read a book for once and you will have your eyes opened. Obviously you want to blame minorities for your shortcomings. You play the victim much better than any minority.

What white comedian can get away with shit Chris Rock does... GEORGE CARLIN!

The reason why lower standards works for everyone is because more of every race get admitted. But no one lowers standards anymore anyway (thanks to U of Michigan challenge of affirmative action which I agree with).

The reason why you can't remember the name of the scholarship is because IT DOESN'T EXIST! Your arguments are baseless.

Its like arguing with a 12yr old who thinks they know it all regardless of what proof you show them. Obviously your AA education was a complete waste of money.

[Act of God]

What white comedian can get away with shit Chris Rock does... GEORGE CARLIN!

He falls under the technically Jewish exemption clause of 1974.

[BgMc31]

He falls under the technically Jewish exemption clause of 1974.

white is white dude! lol!

[Act of God]

white is white dude! lol!

1. It was a joke
2. White is not white, but whatever

[BgMc31]

1. It was a joke
2. White is not white, but whatever

So was my response (ie LoL remark).

Serious question: what makes a white man white? Maybe I'm missing something.

[lotaquestions]

So Ivy League schools don't give special 'black' points, I thought you said we get special treatment, so which is it? Make up your mind, you are starting to allow your anger to increase your ignorance. I on the other hand don't acknowledge minority special treatment because it doesn't exist. Prove to me that it does. Stats dude, where are your stats.

You have no idea what you are talking about do you? Read a book for once and you will have your eyes opened. Obviously you want to blame minorities for your shortcomings. You play the victim much better than any minority.

What white comedian can get away with shit Chris Rock does... GEORGE CARLIN!

The reason why lower standards works for everyone is because more of every race get admitted. But no one lowers standards anymore anyway (thanks to U of Michigan challenge of affirmative action which I agree with).

The reason why you can't remember the name of the scholarship is because IT DOESN'T EXIST! Your arguments are baseless.

Its like arguing with a 12yr old who thinks they know it all regardless of what proof you show them. Obviously your AA education was a complete waste of money.

im apologize for not having a book of "how to hold the black man down" sitting in front of me to pull facts from. all i have is my opinion and own personal experiences.

[Act of God]

im apologize for not having a book of "how to hold the black man down" sitting in front of me to pull facts from. all i have is my opinion and own personal experiences.

You don't need a book to know how to hold the black man down. Here's the short version:

Be white

[thegodfather]

Actually there is significant evidence that the SAT's are preferrential to race. The reason is simple, because the SAT's are written by intelligent, well educated, and well to do white people, the questions often reflect areas of higher wealth and education, that many blacks are not priviledged to, since on average, more blacks come from lower socioeconomic backgrounds than do whites.

For instance, a question might ask... "Fire is to heat as a Piano is to........"

I remember reading this study so my quote is not verbatim. But the point is, in order for you to know an analogy to a Piano, you most likely would need to be exposed to such things. Pianos are generally only found in Upper Middle class homes.


This is one of the main reasons that every town must have a certain percentage of low-income housing. It gives people of lower socioeconomic backgrounds the opportunity to be educated in better schools.

The problem with statements like "the black man should just work harder." is this. It is like trying to play a game by the rules, but a game that you didnt have a hand in writing the rules. There are several types of racism. There is what is called Primary and Secondary Institutionalized Racism.

For instance we use a report by Staiger. In this instance a particular elementary school was examined. After schools were desegregated this school appeared to be desegregated. However, the school policy instituted a program called "GROW" it was what we often referr to as "Gifted&Talented." Students were not put into Gifted&Talented based on academic merit. They were selected by teachers, and they were given access to more resources than the regular students. Almost all of the students in Gifted&talented were white, although the school was very much racially integrated, the GROW program was almost exclusively white. So this is an instance of something we call "INSULATION." The racial project in this case was to integrate schools, once the legislation was passed the schools were integrated, yet the school responded with an insulating policy to sustain the segregation. There was also an idea surrounding the GROW program that the students in there needed to be "protected" from the 'rest' of the students. Another interesting fact, in the classrooms with GROW students there were signs on the wall like "You're a WINNER" and other such encouraging statements. In the classrooms with the 'rest' of the students (mostly the black students) the signs on the wall were the RULES and PUNISHMENTS.

So this is just one of many many many instances of institutionalized racism that is not legislated, but insulated from the passed legislation. So while on the outside if you look at the race of the students attending the school it appears integrated, on the inside it is a different story.

Another instance, is where a person controls a particular resource. Perhaps they are a human resources director and they have to pick a candidate for a managerial position. If they allow racial stereotypes to influence their decisions, they are then practicing discrimination. If this person has a black,white, and asian applicant. This person may say to themselves "Well, Asians are really good at math and technical jobs so Im not going to promote this person." and then the same person says "Well, black males are mostly lazy and not that intelligent." And then that person promotes the white person into the job. This is just one of many examples of Non-Institutionalized Racism.

So while it is easy to say "just work harder." The truth is that minorities are playing OUR game on OUR field and by OUR rules that we've written. What I'm saying is, the game is rigged. Do not ask me for any solutions to the problems, because I frankly dont agree with legislation, and believe time is the only thing that can fix the problem. I'm just sharing the knowledge with you that I have studied.

[zartan]

6. The whining that Obama is getting preferential treatment when it comes to his association with Rev. Wright is absurd. The fact that John McCains spiritual adviser's hateful rhetoric have yet to be covered by the media. Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell similar comments and their support of conservative politicians is glanced over is proof that Obama is getting unfair treatment in this matter. How many time was his response speech (or portions of it) are replayed as compared to the times Rev. Wrights 'selective' comments are replayed?

Not sure why you keep denying the facts, it seems as though in your mind you can't or won't accept the fact that Obama isnt the second coming of Christ. Why do you bring up McCain, we're not debating McCain here, hes already thrown his chips in with Bush which brands him a complete jackass, so theres no need to draw similarities, besides McCain and the religious zealots you mentioned don't share the same intimate relationship Obama has with Wright. McCain was trying to get votes from the religions right, in fact in prior election he insulted the preachers you mentioned. A better point to make might be that hes willing to do whatever to win votes. Seems like you've been listening to too many liberal radio programs!

Just to get this clear, do you even think Mr. Wright was out of line in any of the outrageous shit he said? Seems like you're prescribing to the talk like 'he jus a good ole black preacher using firey words to get the people goin!', rather than acknowledging the fact hes a racist hate monger who Obama considers 'like an uncle'.

[Act of God]

Not sure why you keep denying the facts, it seems as though in your mind you can't or won't accept the fact that Obama isnt the second coming of Christ.

I think the reason is rather obvious, although I doubt he'd admit it.

[BgMc31]

Where in any of posts did I say Obama was the second coming? I actually gave reasons why I support his candacy, none of which borders on religious fanaticism. I think Obama is the best of the three available.

I brought up McCain in response to a post saying that McCain hasn't any similar affiliations. I proved that he did. Regardless of why he's aligned himself with this zealot, the fact remains he still has and the media and conservatives have yet to mention this at all. Purely a double standard.

Do I think Wright was out of hand? OF COURSE! But no one has yet to provide a single statement that was racists. I don't support what he said and it was clearly offensive. But there is a difference between racists speech and offensive speech.

[zartan]

Where in any of posts did I say Obama was the second coming? I actually gave reasons why I support his candacy, none of which borders on religious fanaticism. I think Obama is the best of the three available.

I brought up McCain in response to a post saying that McCain hasn't any similar affiliations. I proved that he did. Regardless of why he's aligned himself with this zealot, the fact remains he still has and the media and conservatives have yet to mention this at all. Purely a double standard.

Do I think Wright was out of hand? OF COURSE! But no one has yet to provide a single statement that was racists. I don't support what he said and it was clearly offensive. But there is a difference between racists speech and offensive speech.

Hes a hate monger going on rants about 'white america', I'm sure that really does wonders for the people taking in that rhetoric. No better than Pat Robertson saying Katrina was because of gays. No wonder so many black people have this idea of 'us' and 'them'.

And I'm guessing the reason the media doesnt go after McCain is because of THE REASONS I LISTED. Hes clearly kissing up to the religious right in a shameless ploy to win votes, not toting the religious whackos as part of the family.