Holy Tazer Batman! (vid)

[Panzerfaust]

i'm not starting stuff with you i just have a question that i'm interested in you answering because i can't come to an answer myself. what would you recommend cops do if people refuse like this? when do they have the right to say, use a tazer or physical force to detain them? just curious as to what you think.

It is easy for me to say "Well he should have done this and done that"..but the facts are this:

He is a cop and he is supposed to be trained to follow his departments procedures. I do not know their procedures but I would guarantee you that they do not include immeditely tazing someone without even trying to get control of a situation.

This incident was not violent in anyway, the officer escalated the issue by pulling the tazer and then firing it. He is 100% to blame for this outcome.

At no time did he attempt to talk the guy into putting his hands behind his back etc. so he could cuff him to further gain control of the situation (just because they cuff you does not mean you have been arrested and is generally used as a means of control.)

The Tazer is meant as a "less than deadly" force. This officer just wanted to use his tazer and see what would happen.

I did notice the typical BS when he was talking to the other officer later in the video, he starts trying to justify himself by mentioning the guy's eradic behaviour etc... Typical "cover my ass" talk.

My cousin is a cop and he explained to me how they teach them to scream "Stop resisting" over and over again when messing with people, it serves as evidence that the cop is trying his best to not manhandle/beath the shit out of people.

[rockinred]

In this area there is a part on the ticket where if you do not agree you sign on that part and settle in court... there is another part that states you plea guilty and just pay the fine... The risk is if you go to court you can pay more for court fees and still get the ticket.

I don't know how it is in UT, but a simple statement in a calm voice saying "sir, I understand you might not have seen that sign, so go ahead and sign the not guilty box and you will be able to state your case with the courts"...then..."if you refuse to sign this ticket, by law I can arrest you"...then go on to say "what do you want to do"... .

Or when he was walking away, I would have said "STOP RIGHT THERE or I will taze you and then say I am not messing around", that is of course if I had my tazer out in the first place...which I probably wouldn't have...

To me it seems that elementary communication skills on the cops part would have defused this whole situation...

Also, like I said on last thread like this..... the police officers should use their training to prevent this... I have a relative that is a state trooper for 16 years and he has only had to taze a few times...much less for a guy acting up on speeding ticket.

I just hope that whoever posts on here agreeing with police actions that are aggressive in the manner of, "do as I say or I will beat your ass", comments are not law enforcement or even future prospects... you get paid to handle situations like this in a professional manner...this isn't the damn bar/lounge, they have to maintain integrity too.

[rockinred]

i'd also like to add that if all police acted this way everytime someone acts up on a traffic stops...we'd be a bunch of tazed up fools...I think every stop ends up with someone arguing and getting mad... they can't taze your ass like that and say..."see I told you you should have listened to me" wtf, kind of shit is that???... it is called ABUSE of authority....

[novastepp]

It is easy for me to say "Well he should have done this and done that"..but the facts are this:

He is a cop and he is supposed to be trained to follow his departments procedures. I do not know their procedures but I would guarantee you that they do not include immeditely tazing someone without even trying to get control of a situation.

This incident was not violent in anyway, the officer escalated the issue by pulling the tazer and then firing it. He is 100% to blame for this outcome.

At no time did he attempt to talk the guy into putting his hands behind his back etc. so he could cuff him to further gain control of the situation (just because they cuff you does not mean you have been arrested and is generally used as a means of control.)

The Tazer is meant as a "less than deadly" force. This officer just wanted to use his tazer and see what would happen.

I did notice the typical BS when he was talking to the other officer later in the video, he starts trying to justify himself by mentioning the guy's eradic behaviour etc... Typical "cover my ass" talk.

My cousin is a cop and he explained to me how they teach them to scream "Stop resisting" over and over again when messing with people, it serves as evidence that the cop is trying his best to not manhandle/beath the shit out of people.

thanks man.