The REAL Pound for Pound Best!!!

[D-Bo Dre]

I swear you guys are smokin crack. You all are letting your personal dislike of PBF get in the way of proper perspective. Cotto is a great fighter but he has obvious flaws and has been downed several times. Gomez was a product of hype and would never match up againt a top A-list fighter.

How is it that WE are smokin crack if our argument is simply how Mayweather cannot possibly think that he has nothing else to prove without a fight against Cotto?!? Ok, so you say Gomez was not meant to match up against a "Top A-list fighter" like Cotto, So who then would you rank as being a worthy "Top A-list fighter" who Cotto has'nt beat already?? (And I bet youll have the same excuse when Cotto beats Margaritto right?? )

PBF has all the tools. He doesn't get hit, is smart in the ring, and plays the bad guy well enough to make huge money. Not to mention he's convingly beat every fighter he's faced. Baldomir tested him the first fight but he cae back and convincingly beat the guy. He's simply the best of this generation.

Blah, blah, blah.. Ok, we get it.. Its obvious how adamant you are to defending your man-crush

As far as him ducking Cotto, I don't hear Cotto yelling for the fight either. As a matter of fact even Larry Merchant wondered why Cotto leaves it to his hangers-on to call PBF out.

ACTUALLY, Larry Merchant was the one who pointed out how Mayweather was the one who has evaded the question (when he shot to a clip where PBF refused to acknowledge Cotto after his win against Hatton in Dec.) He pulled his gay-ass retirement routine .. BOttom line, as Larry pointed out, its obvious how much the world is anticipating this fight, there is no need for Cotto to corrupt his character by calling out someone who is obviously in it for the fame and money and not the respect of the sport..

Mayweather is at the top of the game and he goes where the money is, after the Cotto/Margarito fight, I guaratee the winner of that fight can command a 10-20 million dollar payday for Floyd...then he'll fight. The man has nothing to prove to anyone. Speed, power, ring generalship. All the tools necessary for greatness. He's undefeated and if you don't recognize the man's greatness you are simply blinded by your dislike of the man.

Did you come to this conclusion before or after his WWE debut??? Because he def. proved something to me by laying out a 300lb+ 7ft giant!!! LOL

Floyd is the man, whether you like him or not, there is no more talented fighter. All this hatred of Floyd reminds me of the sae hatred people had for Ali and 20-30yrs later, now just about everyone (including the people who completely hated the man) agree he was the greatest of all time. I distinctively remember all you cats saying the same shit before PBF fought Judah, Dela Hoya, and Hatton. Then after he won, nothin but bullshit excuses for why he won. Now when he beats Cotto, and he will beat Cotto, I'm wondering what will be yalls excuse then.

You know what, "if" this fight ever does go down and Mayweather wins, ill be the first one to say that the better man won... THEN will Mayweather be left w/out any doubts.. till then ill continue my Prettygirl hating!!!

[Odpierdol_sie!]

Someone mentioned Roy Jones Jr. He can't be considered P4P today, but in his prime (90s) there was no better talent in boxing. Check the stats. He was simply amazing and awe-inspiring to watch. His athleticism and unconventional style was unmatched. He suffered from a lack of competition in his division for years. The only fighters worth fighting then were Hopkins (whom he beat) and James Toney (again he defeated).

I agree but in the same breath cant agree fully there mate. Jones Jr. was a great tallent during the 90s' with the exception of him dodging Steve Collins... If he had fought him then yes he would have been able to hold his head up and say there is no one in my weight division. You say his stats are impressive and that they are, but have a look at Steve Collins stats too, there is some very obvious patterns there in when titles were won and when boxers moved up weights. This my friend is dodging in the highest degree and the stats do not lie.

[lotaquestions]

See that's exactly what Floyd wants you to believe. I live in Vegas and I see what Floyd does outside the limelight. He's brilliant businessman and does a lot of charity work within the community, especially for the boys and girls club of southern nevada. He's far from stupid and selfish, but in a sport where everyone wants a goodlooking pretty boy man-of-the-people, someone has to be the bad guy and floyd knows that better than anyone.

that is all set up by his pr guys we all know that. i dont doubt that the man has a descent hart and cares about most of the charities he donates to. he would be some kind of manson/hittler if he didnt, but i have yet to hear him say anything that makes since, for that reason i dont think that floyd is smart enough to fool anyone. what he says is what he truly thinks about himself. just like ali, great talent buy i dont but if you take the top off the skull off youll find a hampster on a spinning wheel.

[BgMc31]

How is it that WE are smokin crack if our argument is simply how Mayweather cannot possibly think that he has nothing else to prove without a fight against Cotto?!? Ok, so you say Gomez was not meant to match up against a "Top A-list fighter" like Cotto, So who then would you rank as being a worthy "Top A-list fighter" who Cotto has'nt beat already?? (And I bet youll have the same excuse when Cotto beats Margaritto right?? )



Blah, blah, blah.. Ok, we get it.. Its obvious how adamant you are to defending your man-crush



ACTUALLY, Larry Merchant was the one who pointed out how Mayweather was the one who has evaded the question (when he shot to a clip where PBF refused to acknowledge Cotto after his win against Hatton in Dec.) He pulled his gay-ass retirement routine .. BOttom line, as Larry pointed out, its obvious how much the world is anticipating this fight, there is no need for Cotto to corrupt his character by calling out someone who is obviously in it for the fame and money and not the respect of the sport..



Did you come to this conclusion before or after his WWE debut??? Because he def. proved something to me by laying out a 300lb+ 7ft giant!!! LOL




You know what, "if" this fight ever does go down and Mayweather wins, ill be the first one to say that the better man won... THEN will Mayweather be left w/out any doubts.. till then ill continue my Prettygirl hating!!!

Saying I have a man crush on PBF? This coming from a man that whenever anyone mentions PBFs name you have to chime in swinging from Cotto's nut sack like a chimp in heat.
Floyd is far from my favorite fighter. I'm an old school cat. My faves are Hagler, Louis, Ali, Robinson, in that order.

Since you need some education in the sport, an A-list fighter is someone on the level of PBF, Cotto, DeLa Hoya, Mosely, Hatton, etc. Gomez, Manfredo, Bundridge are all products of a TV show, none of which have the level of talent of those mentioned before. Gomez's only notable win was against a washed up Arturo Gatti, who WAS a warrior but he himself not a top tier A-list fighter even in his prime.

Obviously you know nothing about the sport if you bring up a rasslin match when speaking of ring generalship. Seems to me you don't know what the term means.

We can go on and on about what Larry Merchant said. And we are both right. Larry did say that we'll have to see how PBF ducks Cotto this time, but he also ask the question why Cotto isn't calling out PBF himself.


You know it amazes me how people are so blinded by a hatred of a person they don't even know. And to ignore the obvious talent an athlete has just because you don't like his personality is ridiculously absurd!

[BgMc31]

that is all set up by his pr guys we all know that. i dont doubt that the man has a descent hart and cares about most of the charities he donates to. he would be some kind of manson/hittler if he didnt, but i have yet to hear him say anything that makes since, for that reason i dont think that floyd is smart enough to fool anyone. what he says is what he truly thinks about himself. just like ali, great talent buy i dont but if you take the top off the skull off youll find a hampster on a spinning wheel.

Those are pretty bold statements when you don't know either athlete. Even the great howard cosell remarked on how intelligent Ali was.

Having attended many events here in Vegas with Floyd, I've had the pleasure of seeing the man up close and his on camera persona is waayyyy different than off. And there are many athletes like that (Allen Iverson comes to mind). The fact that PBF doesn't advertise his charitable events proves the size of his heart and his not needing the limelight all the time.

[D-Bo Dre]

Since you need some education in the sport, an A-list fighter is someone on the level of PBF, Cotto, DeLa Hoya, Mosely, Hatton, etc. Gomez, Manfredo, Bundridge are all products of a TV show, none of which have the level of talent of those mentioned before. Gomez's only notable win was against a washed up Arturo Gatti, who WAS a warrior but he himself not a top tier A-list fighter even in his prime.

I know who A-list fighters are, I don’t need you to point them out to me..
I was just curious to see who you would name.. To be honest, I thought you would only name Mayweather.. lol

Obviously you know nothing about the sport if you bring up a rasslin match when speaking of ring generalship. Seems to me you don't know what the term means.

I was being facetious.. Get it, ha ha..

We can go on and on about what Larry Merchant said. And we are both right. Larry did say that we'll have to see how PBF ducks Cotto this time, but he also ask the question why Cotto isn't calling out PBF himself.

AGAIN, it’s out of Cotto’s character.. He’s simply not that type of fighter.. He leaves the promoting up to his promoters.. he doesn’t put on a ridiculous theatrics in search of a multi-million payday (Cough, cough, Mayweather)..

You know it amazes me how people are so blinded by a hatred of a person they don't even know. And to ignore the obvious talent an athlete has just because you don't like his personality is ridiculously absurd!

I’ve never ignored the obvious talent that Mayweather has.. He’s great at what he “does”.. I’m not going to get into specifics b/c it will only lead to another debate..

I have nothing against you BgMC.. You’re an obvious boxing fan who has interesting point of views.. We simply disagree on certain issues that’s all! And we have been going at it for quite sometime
To be honest, I’m actually glad that the sport of boxing has debating issues like these b/c I can remember just a few years back when boxing was in dire need of resuscitation.. Last year was a GREAT year for boxing, this year has been pretty good also, and hopefully next year will be even better if we are fortunate enough to witness these two titans colliding!!!

**Side note: 500 post *** Woo Hooo!!

[BgMc31]

I know who A-list fighters are, I don’t need you to point them out to me..
I was just curious to see who you would name.. To be honest, I thought you would only name Mayweather.. lol



I was being facetious.. Get it, ha ha..



AGAIN, it’s out of Cotto’s character.. He’s simply not that type of fighter.. He leaves the promoting up to his promoters.. he doesn’t put on a ridiculous theatrics in search of a multi-million payday (Cough, cough, Mayweather)..



I’ve never ignored the obvious talent that Mayweather has.. He’s great at what he “does”.. I’m not going to get into specifics b/c it will only lead to another debate..

I have nothing against you BgMC.. You’re an obvious boxing fan who has interesting point of views.. We simply disagree on certain issues that’s all! And we have been going at it for quite sometime
To be honest, I’m actually glad that the sport of boxing has debating issues like these b/c I can remember just a few years back when boxing was in dire need of resuscitation.. Last year was a GREAT year for boxing, this year has been pretty good also, and hopefully next year will be even better if we are fortunate enough to witness these two titans colliding!!!

**Side note: 500 post *** Woo Hooo!!

Right on dude! Its hard to tell emotions on a forum like this. But its been fun debating with you as well. AND YES BOXING IS BACK!! As long as the big time players continue to fight each other.

THANKS TO MMA AND ALL ITS FANS for forcing boxing to get right!

[lotaquestions]

Those are pretty bold statements when you don't know either athlete. Even the great howard cosell remarked on how intelligent Ali was.

Having attended many events here in Vegas with Floyd, I've had the pleasure of seeing the man up close and his on camera persona is waayyyy different than off. And there are many athletes like that (Allen Iverson comes to mind). The fact that PBF doesn't advertise his charitable events proves the size of his heart and his not needing the limelight all the time.

ali actually scored a 78 on an IQ test and floyd i have never heard him say or do anything that would lead me to think otherwise. i dont expect any fighter to be smart, but the idea that they are outsmarting the media and all of us by just playing the a cocky know it all bad guy to seems hard to believe. i have never seen either of these guys in public so i only have their tv personalities to go by....but ive never seen flavor flav in out side of the tv and i know what how smart he is

[BgMc31]

ali actually scored a 78 on an IQ test and floyd i have never heard him say or do anything that would lead me to think otherwise. i dont expect any fighter to be smart, but the idea that they are outsmarting the media and all of us by just playing the a cocky know it all bad guy to seems hard to believe. i have never seen either of these guys in public so i only have their tv personalities to go by....but ive never seen flavor flav in out side of the tv and i know what how smart he is

If you are gonna make such a bold statement of Ali IQ tests you need to provide proof of such a claim. I'm not going to get into the validity of IQ tests either.

I'm not saying Floyd or Ali are Einsteins but to label a person based purely on their TV personality is a bit naïve.

[BgMc31]

ali actually scored a 78 on an IQ test and floyd i have never heard him say or do anything that would lead me to think otherwise. i dont expect any fighter to be smart, but the idea that they are outsmarting the media and all of us by just playing the a cocky know it all bad guy to seems hard to believe. i have never seen either of these guys in public so i only have their tv personalities to go by....but ive never seen flavor flav in out side of the tv and i know what how smart he is

If you are gonna make such a bold statement of Ali IQ tests you need to provide proof of such a claim. I'm not going to get into the validity of IQ tests either.

I'm not saying Floyd or Ali are Einsteins but to label a person based purely on their TV personality is a bit naïve.

But you are entitled to your opinion, my friend. And if believing either of these guys are dummies help you sleep better at night, so be it.

[lotaquestions]

If you are gonna make such a bold statement of Ali IQ tests you need to provide proof of such a claim. I'm not going to get into the validity of IQ tests either.

I'm not saying Floyd or Ali are Einsteins but to label a person based purely on their TV personality is a bit naïve.

But you are entitled to your opinion, my friend. And if believing either of these guys are dummies help you sleep better at night, so be it.

-Y. After scoring a 78 on a 1964 Army IQ test -- "I said I was the greatest, not the smartest" -- Ali was classified 1-Y: "Not qualified under current standards for service in the armed forces." Two years later, as the war continued to escalate, the Army lowered its minimum score for service, and Ali was reclassified 1-A. In 1967, he refused induction as a Muslim and a conscientious objector -- "I have searched my conscience, and I find I cannot be true to my belief in my religion by accepting such a call" -- and was immediately stripped of his world championship title by the New York State Athletic Commission. He spent three years in boxing exile, often lecturing on college campuses about his views on life and asking students who the "real" heavyweight champion of the world was.

www.espn.go.com/page2/s/neel/011221.html

www.isteve.com/Film_Ali.htm - 11k

do you suppose i call them and invite them to dinner?

[jonny101]

-Y. After scoring a 78 on a 1964 Army IQ test -- "I said I was the greatest, not the smartest" -- Ali was classified 1-Y: "Not qualified under current standards for service in the armed forces." Two years later, as the war continued to escalate, the Army lowered its minimum score for service, and Ali was reclassified 1-A. In 1967, he refused induction as a Muslim and a conscientious objector -- "I have searched my conscience, and I find I cannot be true to my belief in my religion by accepting such a call" -- and was immediately stripped of his world championship title by the New York State Athletic Commission. He spent three years in boxing exile, often lecturing on college campuses about his views on life and asking students who the "real" heavyweight champion of the world was.

www.espn.go.com/page2/s/neel/011221.html

www.isteve.com/Film_Ali.htm - 11k

do you suppose i call them and invite them to dinner?

lol il have the fish(if im invited)

personaly i think that is rrealy realy smart lol,he clearly didnt want to fight in the war so played dumb,his i.q wasnt the only thing that stoped him as he refused to join later on

[ChrisJL]

Mayweather in most peoples eyes, he certainly is hyped to that effect

[BgMc31]

-Y. After scoring a 78 on a 1964 Army IQ test -- "I said I was the greatest, not the smartest" -- Ali was classified 1-Y: "Not qualified under current standards for service in the armed forces." Two years later, as the war continued to escalate, the Army lowered its minimum score for service, and Ali was reclassified 1-A. In 1967, he refused induction as a Muslim and a conscientious objector -- "I have searched my conscience, and I find I cannot be true to my belief in my religion by accepting such a call" -- and was immediately stripped of his world championship title by the New York State Athletic Commission. He spent three years in boxing exile, often lecturing on college campuses about his views on life and asking students who the "real" heavyweight champion of the world was.

www.espn.go.com/page2/s/neel/011221.html

www.isteve.com/Film_Ali.htm - 11k

do you suppose i call them and invite them to dinner?

Apparently the article is referring to the AMSFAB. Which is not really an IQ test but rather a test fr basic skills. The 78 he scored is not indicative of his IQ score but rather a score based on a 100% correct factor. In other words his IQ isn't 78. Don't be naïve. Also if you know any history of Ali (as earlier stated), he vehemently denounced the war in Vietnam from the beginning and went to great lengths to avoid service. The easiest way would be to intentionally fail the entrance exam.

Try again...

[lotaquestions]

find me some evidence of him doing/saying something intelligent. if you fail a test designed for people to pass you cant be all that smart. you must know ali better than he does himself, since he admitted he was stupid.

[BgMc31]

When did he admit he was stupid? And the fact the way he resisted and spoke up against the Vietnam war and Jim Crow showed a certain level of intelligence.

[D-Bo Dre]

Right on dude! Its hard to tell emotions on a forum like this. But its been fun debating with you as well. AND YES BOXING IS BACK!! As long as the big time players continue to fight each other.

THANKS TO MMA AND ALL ITS FANS for forcing boxing to get right!

Amen,, COuldnt have said it better myself!!!

[D-Bo Dre]

Sorry, couldnt help it!!

[lotaquestions]

a picture is worth a thousand words....


man thats awsome.