Gyno and 1st Cycle

[SS350]

im a 27year old male. 5'4" 195 lbs. i've been in sports for most of life and played football throught highschool. yes 195 is a lot for 5'4", but its not all blubber. i've always been able to bench 285 and press 585 without ever stepping foot in the gym. even when i played football, i wouldnt work out. i would just do cardio and only max out for the coaches twice a season. my highschool weight was 160lbs. but i have gained 35lbs since graduating about 10 years ago.

i've been thinking about and researching cycling for the first time. i've been floating around site and reading up for the past week. its been very helpfull with answering a lot of my questions.

the one thing thats stressing me out is gyno. i dont want to even think about getting it.

as it is, im having a super hard time getting enough clo for my pct. but i think its going to happen. whats is going to be near impossible for me to get is nolva. i still dont even know weather or not im going to be able to get any.

my cycle is going to be

deca/enan stack with clo for my pct. i hope this guy ends up getting me nolva, but i doubt he will and if he does, its not going to be enough to take throught the cycle. to make matters worse, this guy is a one time deal so i wont be able to use him again.

my question is, what are the odds of getting gyno on your first cycle if you only plan on using clo for pct and nothing else? this gyno issue seems like its going to be the deal breaker for me.

any advice? thanks in advance.

[Raw Deal]

im a 27year old male. 5'4" 195 lbs. i've been in sports for most of life and played football throught highschool. yes 195 is a lot for 5'4", but its not all blubber. i've always been able to bench 285 and press 585 without ever stepping foot in the gym. even when i played football, i wouldnt work out. i would just do cardio and only max out for the coaches twice a season. my highschool weight was 160lbs. but i have gained 35lbs since graduating about 10 years ago.

i've been thinking about and researching cycling for the first time. i've been floating around site and reading up for the past week. its been very helpfull with answering a lot of my questions.

the one thing thats stressing me out is gyno. i dont want to even think about getting it.

as it is, im having a super hard time getting enough clo for my pct. but i think its going to happen. whats is going to be near impossible for me to get is nolva. i still dont even know weather or not im going to be able to get any.

my cycle is going to be

deca/enan stack with clo for my pct. i hope this guy ends up getting me nolva, but i doubt he will and if he does, its not going to be enough to take throught the cycle. to make matters worse, this guy is a one time deal so i wont be able to use him again.

my question is, what are the odds of getting gyno on your first cycle if you only plan on using clo for pct and nothing else? this gyno issue seems like its going to be the deal breaker for me.

any advice? thanks in advance.

MY first cycle was Test & dbal..gyno came in about 8 wks in...terrible too, one nip, and painful, it feels like i had a peice of a marble inbedded in my skin, and when one of my kids would jump on me it felt like a knife was going threw my nipple, So for ONE :
You need to fully understand the consept of AI"S, SERMS, PCT.......Not that your a idiot, but uniformed, YOU CAN NOT USE NOLVA when on a nandrolone like DECA/ TREN...this will infact bring that gyno out like Pam anderson BRO !
MY sugestion would be to run wks 1-4 dbal-30mg/
TEST-E 500mg wk 1-12....and if you get a itchy nip, or soar nip, you then can take nova/clomid/letro ect........without having to have the knowlage base your talking about while on multiple esters ect..................
I'm speaking from experiance only, My left nip got so bad, it never cleared, now i don't have a bitch Tit, but i have a pea size lump under my nipple that i can not get rid of without surgery, and i said hell, i'll take a chance, well i was one of the unlucky ones, and for what ever reason it seems there are more and more unlucky bro's these days..lots of threads on this GYNO prob...
so think about my Advice...
2nd: You stated sevral times about not having access to PCT MEd, be careful, it sounds as your fishing and you don't want to get banned, wich will happen in these Ruff times..................If i were you, i would go to a research product site, there are many of us that test Rats ect....w/ these Meds..and you can order them , even w/ a CC#......they are avalible for our research .

[SS350]

thx for the info. i was in no way fishing, and sorry if i came off the way. im too paranoid to deal with anyone i dont personally know.

i was going to try the cycle below MINUS the Test Propionate. is there something wrong with that setup? thanks again. much appreciated.

1 Testosterone Enanthate/400 - 500 mg Testosterone Propionate 50 - 75mg/ED Deca/200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day

2 Testosterone Enanthate/400 - 500 mg Testosterone Propionate 50 - 75mg/ED Deca/200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day

3 Testosterone Enanthate/400 - 500 mg Testosterone Propionate 50 - 75mg/ED Deca/200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day

4 Testosterone Enanthate/400 - 500 mg Testosterone Propionate 50 - 75mg/ED Deca/200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day

5 Testosterone Enanthate/400 - 500 mg Deca/200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day

6 Testosterone Enanthate/400 - 500 mg Deca/200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day

7 Testosterone Enanthate/400 - 500 mg Deca/200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day

8 Testosterone Enanthate/400 - 500 mg Deca/200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day

9 Testosterone Enanthate/400 - 500 mg Deca/200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day

10 Testosterone Enanthate/400 - 500 mg Deca/200 - 400 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day

11 Testosterone Enanthate/400 - 500 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day

12 Testosterone Enanthate/400 - 500 mg Nolvadex/10 - 20 mg/Day

13 Nolvadex/20 mg/Day

14 Nolvadex/20 mg/Day

15 Clomid Therapy Nolvadex/20 mg/Day

16 Clomid Therapy Nolvadex/20 mg/Day

17 Clomid Therapy

[SS350]

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[Raw Deal]

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Seems you missed my point about SERMS and NANDOLONES...Read my post again BRo...NO SERmS WHILE ON A NANROLONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Raw Deal]

If you don't want your chops busted, don't write a Noval..it's like this:

Wks 1-4........................
Wks 1-12.........................
Wks 14-...........PCT...
Very simple..
But again, your cycle is way too complecated IMO, if your Newer to this..Keep it simple Bro, and stay away from ED injections, why your running 2 diff ester of Test is Beyond ME..
TEST is TEST..it's all about Time release, so why run a Test ester that is in your system for 12 days, and a ester that has a short Half life, LOL ?
Just up the longet ester, and you dont need anymore that 500mg WK MAX BRo ! You need to research cycles, No disrespect...

[Lemonada8]

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But again, your cycle is way too complecated IMO, if your Newer to this..Keep it simple Bro, and stay away from ED injections, why your running 2 diff ester of Test is Beyond ME..
TEST is TEST..it's all about Time release, so why run a Test ester that is in your system for 12 days, and a ester that has a short Half life, LOL ?
Just up the longet ester, and you dont need anymore that 500mg WK MAX BRo ! You need to research cycles, No disrespect...

he said that hes not taking the test prop...
and why stay away from ED injections?

[SS350]

right, i was only going to take 1 kind of test.

whats wrong with writting a book? i like details.

by the way, i got this setup right off of this site for sample novice cycle #2

http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php

i dont know why they would post it up if it had such adverse side effects. oh well, back to the drawing board.