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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    You're doing Clinton math. Clinton's campaign manager Mark Penn went after the big states because he didn't know the Democratic primaries are proportional delegates, not winner take all like the Republican primaries. Clinton only focused on the big states. Winning only big states will not give you the majority of delegates. Obama had a 50 state plan. Clinton didn't. Obama focused on winning state counties with the largest number of delegates. Obama won both, small and big states and look where he is. The winner.

    Michigan and Florida broke the DNC rules by moving up their primaries. They knew the consequences and did it anyway. Clinton signed off and agreed that the state delegates would not be seated according to the DNC rules. She changed her tune when she realized she was losing and needed the delegates. Now she's for Michigan and Florida counting. How can you count Michigan when Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot? At this point even if they count Michigan she still is behind in delegates and the popular vote.
    Clinton math? hahaha. You're living in lala land, seriously. The more you talk the less I want to side with Obama, in the end I will do what I think is right, but I don't want to listen to 4 years of black people being impartial defending a candidate just because they're black. Get over yourself already and stop calling white people racist when you assume I'm an 'uneducated white boy' and say I won't vote for Obama simply because he's black. Sounds like you have some serious issues you need to work out concerning race.

    Not a close race? Obama is winning the popular vote by 2%. I don't give a damn about delegates, if anything the system is fvcked when the delegates count more than the vote of the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zartan View Post
    Not a close race? Obama is winning the popular vote by 2%. I don't give a damn about delegates, if anything the system is fvcked when the delegates count more than the vote of the people.
    La la land? Sorry, I'm dealing in reality. The DNC rules are based on delegate count. Delegates represent the number of people in a county. The popular vote does not win a primary. I'm stating FACTS! Those are the DNC rules. If you want to argue the popular vote, Obama is winning the popular vote even without counting the caucus states added.

    Clinton ran a horrible campaign and look where she is now. If she is such a great candidate and has huge support, why is her campaign in debt $20 million and she had to loan her campaign $11 million? Where is the money from her supporters? Obama on the other hand is raking in $40-$50 million a month.

    Dude, I could careless if you vote for Obama or not. I find it humorous that you're grasping at numbers when the numbers clearly show who's winning.

    Now you don't like the DNC rules??? Instead of sitting behind a computer maybe you should become politically active in our party and you can help change the rules. Other than that it's pure lip service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    Obama is winning the popular vote even without counting the caucus states added.
    Yes hes winning the popular vote by a SLIM MARGIN, that was my whole point. In fact a lot of people wonder what his chances in the election when hes having such STRUGGLES against Hillary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    Clinton ran a horrible campaign and look where she is now. If she is such a great candidate and has huge support, why is her campaign in debt $20 million and she had to loan her campaign $11 million? Where is the money from her supporters? Obama on the other hand is raking in $40-$50 million a month.
    So we're defining success by monetary support rather than votes? If anything its a testament to Hillary she is able to keep the election so close when Obama has superior campaign funding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    Dude, I could careless if you vote for Obama or not. I find it humorous that you're grasping at numbers when the numbers clearly show who's winning.
    Grasping at numbers? Yes thats what logical people do, they look at the numbers and base judgement from that, rather than the color of their candidates skin > all else.

    If you're such an Obama supporter, perhaps you should care a bit more rather than dismissing anyone who doesn't jump on your bandwagon as an 'unedu-macated whoite boi'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zartan View Post
    Yes hes winning the popular vote by a SLIM MARGIN, that was my whole point. In fact a lot of people wonder what his chances in the election when hes having such STRUGGLES against Hillary.



    So we're defining success by monetary support rather than votes? If anything its a testament to Hillary she is able to keep the election so close when Obama has superior campaign funding.



    Grasping at numbers? Yes thats what logical people do, they look at the numbers and base judgement from that, rather than the color of their candidates skin > all else.

    If you're such an Obama supporter, perhaps you should care a bit more rather than dismissing anyone who doesn't jump on your bandwagon as an 'unedu-macated whoite boi'.
    I'm not just an Obama supporter. I support the DNC. I have contributed to several democratic campaigns. I'm not just sitting here giving lip service. I'm involved. And for your information. The campaigns I contributed to, the people running were White. So stop trying to play the race card.

    'unedu-macated whoite boi'.
    With a post like this? Yes, I would have to agree. I don't have to make the case. You made it for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    I'm not just an Obama supporter.
    First you say it hasn't been a close race, now this.
    more semantics, I'm beginning to expect this from you.

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