Embryonic Stem Cell Research: Who is for and against it?

[kfrost06]

if it could help cure disease and ilness then i'm for it

so would performing test on prisoners and the disabled like the Nazis did, that doesn't make it right. Well heck lets also use the poor and unemployed, why not?

[Flagg]

so would performing test on prisoners and the disabled like the Nazis did, that doesn't make it right. Well heck lets also use the poor and unemployed, why not?

Illogical. I don't agree with animal testing but right now it seems like a necessary evil. Stem Cell research could replace that in the future. A cure for Hypothermia was discovered from Nazi scientists submerging jews in tanks of freezing cold water in a bid to gauge how long German pilots could survive in the the sea. Yes it's was wrong, but because of their techniques, hypothermia is treatable today.

[kfrost06]

Illogical. I don't agree with animal testing but right now it seems like a necessary evil. Stem Cell research could replace that in the future. A cure for Hypothermia was discovered from Nazi scientists submerging jews in tanks of freezing cold water in a bid to gauge how long German pilots could survive in the the sea. Yes it's was wrong, but because of their techniques, hypothermia is treatable today.

Not only are you wrong your reasoning is very disturbing. First there is no cure for hypothermia other then to warm the person back up, second what the Nazis did was to find the limits. i.e. how cold and how long their pilots could survive at certian altitudes by using prisoners to run experiments on. Second you are using the immoral reasoning that the end justifies the means. Perhaps if you or your family were used in such cruel inhuman experiments you would change your mind. Third, you put animals on a higher plane then humans (hanging head in shame).

[Flagg]

Not only are you wrong your reasoning is very disturbing. First there is no cure for hypothermia other then to warm the person back up, second what the Nazis did was to find the limits. i.e. how cold and how long their pilots could survive at certian altitudes by using prisoners to run experiments on. Second you are using the immoral reasoning that the end justifies the means. Perhaps if you or your family were used in such cruel inhuman experiments you would change your mind. Third, you put animals on a higher plane then humans (hanging head in shame).

Firstly I am not wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermia. Children have been known to be brought back around again after 30 minutes.

Secondly i am not endorsing what the Nazis did in one bit, but your parables to that and Stem Cell Research DISTURBS ME. That you could compare Nazi experimentation to SCR is ridiculous.

Prehaps YOU should go speak to a family that has someone with Parkinsons and tell them "Don't worry, at least you're going to Heaven and I feel better about myself as a human being".

[kfrost06]

Double post

[kfrost06]

A cure for Hypothermia was discovered from Nazi scientists submerging jews in tanks of freezing cold water in a bid to gauge how long German pilots could survive in the the sea. Yes it's was wrong, but because of their techniques, hypothermia is treatable today.

First there is no cure for hypothermia other then to warm the person back up, second what the Nazis did was to find the limits. i.e. how cold and how long their pilots could survive at certian altitudes by using prisoners to run experiments on.

Firstly I am not wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermia.

I failed to find the part that mentions the Nazis cure for hypothermia?

As for my view on the main issue is using humans to experiment on is immoral, that goes for prisoners, disabled, poor, or even ones to young to speak for themselves, a human is a human. The arguement boils down to, are embryos human? I say yes, the ones that say no often disagree when life begins, when does a life begin in your opinion? is it the magical first breath of air? the ability to survive outside the womb?

[Kärnfysikern]

The arguement boils down to, are embryos human? I say yes, the ones that say no often disagree when life begins, when does a life begin in your opinion? is it the magical first breath of air? the ability to survive outside the womb?

I dont se the moral difference betwen creating a embryo and then killing it or never creating the embryo in the first place. No life is robbed because either way no human beeing will be born.

[kfrost06]

I dont se the moral difference betwen creating a embryo and then killing it or never creating the embryo in the first place. No life is robbed because either way no human beeing will be born.

Let's use your arguement but play it out a little longer. Suppose you create the embryo(creating it from a human egg and human sperm, the same way it's created in the womb mind you) and allow it to grow to say 5 years old then run experiments on the girl/boy. Since you "created" the person you are allowed to destroy him/her because they never would have existed if you didn't "create" them???

[Kärnfysikern]

Let's use your arguement but play it out a little longer. Suppose you create the embryo(creating it from a human egg and human sperm, the same way it's created in the womb mind you) and allow it to grow to say 5 years old then run experiments on the girl/boy. Since you "created" the person you are allowed to destroy him/her because they never would have existed if you didn't "create" them???

That is not a analogus situation because then you are talking about a self aware, feeling, breathing and conscious human beeing that can feel pain and suffering. By killing that person you are terminating a consiousness and no one has that right.

If we instead created say a fully grown but brain dead human clone then sure go ahead, experiment all you want.

IMO what makes a human life valuable is the ability to be conscious and self aware. Before someone has that ability(i.e a embryo) or after someone has lost that ability(like braindead after a accident) its not a human, just a bunch of meat or cells with human DNA.

[VisceralReaction]

I dont se the moral difference betwen creating a embryo and then killing it or never creating the embryo in the first place. No life is robbed because either way no human beeing will be born.

Im for stem cell research. But there is a difference between the two. Human life exists before it passes out of the womb.