Several Stabbed in Tokyo...(Dangers of a disarmed society)

[Coop77]

the right to bear arms was intended to protect citizens from the Government imposing the will of the gov.. not idiots.. it's just evolved that we need to protect ourselves from people that are mentally ill, or those that intend a person physical injury.

If crazed lunatics don't have easy access to guns, you'll have less need to protect yourself from them.

If this guy had a gun a lot more people would have been hurt. Before you try to argue if guns were legal in Japan somebody would have shot him.. most people don't carry guns around when shopping, even if they legally can, and I bet a crazy guy with an assault rifle can shoot a whoooole lot of people in a crowded shopping center before somebody shoots him.

[soulstealer]

If crazed lunatics don't have easy access to guns, you'll have less need to protect yourself from them.

If this guy had a gun a lot more people would have been hurt. Before you try to argue if guns were legal in Japan somebody would have shot him.. most people don't carry guns around when shopping, even if they legally can, and I bet a crazy guy with an assault rifle can shoot a whoooole lot of people in a crowded shopping center before somebody shoots him.

thats a retarded statement sir

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/com...ent/index.html

its been show people actually prefer gun free zones for shooting rampages as they know noone who is a "law abiding citizen" would break the law by bringing their gun in but it doesnt stop the criminal.... so thats where all the shooting rampages happen sometimes stopped by people running to get their gun from their car or other legal place of possession.. and in cases where people go on shooting rampages out side of gun free zones are often neutralized in a matter of minutes instead of hours...

[soulstealer]

Let me ask you this Coop77... seeing as how the police response time at say a mall would be lets say 15 minutes.... and they wouldn't breach immediately they would asses the situation and wait for swat... so were going to say in excess of 45 minutes... it would make you more comfortable having bullets fly at you only for 45minutes instead of having them flying both ways trying to take this lunatic out?

[inheritmylife]

I don't believe in gun control in any form whatsoever, but I don't think that people being armed would neccesarily discourage this sort of crime. These people are seriously ill, I don't think the thought that they could be killed in the process bothers them. Most of them end up killing themselves anyway.

Add to that most people will stand around watching and do nothing whatsoever, but I guess it only takes one person with some balls and a clear shot.

[soulstealer]

I don't believe in gun control in any form whatsoever, but I don't think that people being armed would neccesarily discourage this sort of crime. These people are seriously ill, I don't think the thought that they could be killed in the process bothers them. Most of them end up killing themselves anyway.

Add to that most people will stand around watching and do nothing whatsoever, but I guess it only takes one person with some balls and a clear shot.

Thats all... plus muggings and crime of that nature go way way down once someone considering this also has to consider they're most likely going to get shot at...

[inheritmylife]

Thats all... plus muggings and crime of that nature go way way down once someone considering this also has to consider they're most likely going to get shot at...

I hope that would be the case. I don't think we'll ever really get to test the theory with the current "laws" pertaining to the carrying of concealed firearms.

[soulstealer]

I hope that would be the case. I don't think we'll ever really get to test the theory with the current "laws" pertaining to the carrying of concealed firearms.

But... with even the emergence of the recent "open carry" support one can see a decrease in violent crime as you never know who's around the corner or whom is the the coffee shop someones about to rob.... conceal carry being ideal of course but as you mentioned the so called laws designed for our protection will prohibit that so...(except of course for the explicitly licensed in certain states) open carry I feel has a very similarly positive effect in crime prevention....

[spywizard]

If crazed lunatics don't have easy access to guns, you'll have less need to protect yourself from them.

If this guy had a gun a lot more people would have been hurt. Before you try to argue if guns were legal in Japan somebody would have shot him.. most people don't carry guns around when shopping, even if they legally can, and I bet a crazy guy with an assault rifle can shoot a whoooole lot of people in a crowded shopping center before somebody shoots him.

I carry mine..

[thegodfather]

If crazed lunatics don't have easy access to guns, you'll have less need to protect yourself from them.

If this guy had a gun a lot more people would have been hurt. Before you try to argue if guns were legal in Japan somebody would have shot him.. most people don't carry guns around when shopping, even if they legally can, and I bet a crazy guy with an assault rifle can shoot a whoooole lot of people in a crowded shopping center before somebody shoots him.

Your argument ignores the equalizing effect that guns have. It is one weapon which gives an elderly lady a fighting chance against an attacker, regardless of the type of weapon they are using. Criminals will ALWAYS get their hands on weapons, be it guns, knives, bats, hammers, etc, etc... Pretty much any blunt, sharp, or heavy object can be used as a weapon. In addition just about any device capable of propelling things at a high speed can be used as a weapon. If you outlaw guns, the only peoples hands that you take them out of is law abiding citizens. In this case, this man used a large vehicle as a deadly weapon, and then used a knife to continue his killing spree. Whether or not he had a gun was really inconsequential, because if Japan had an instituted CCW policy, at least 1 or 2 people in that crowd of victims would have been able to meet force with equal or greater force. I contend that even if the man had a firearm, less people would have been killed because an armed citizen would have taken him down.

In addition, unfortunately for your argument statistics regarding CCW are in my arguments favor and not yours.