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    For those of you unfamiliar with US politics, let me explain. The founding fathers of our country wrote in several checks&balances on governments power. The various branches of government which had equal power, the legislative, judiciary, executive, etc. They are supposed to curtail one anothers power if one or the other ever becomes too abusive. These founders realised from looking at thousands of years of human history in politics, that even with such safeguards there were still ways that government could usurp its restrictions and become despotic in order to oppress the people. The 2nd Amendment, the right for the people to bear arms, was never really intended as self-defense against muggers and theives(although certainly useful as such), rather it was intended as the LAST CHECK&BALANCE against a tyrannical government. The founders realised that if a large percentage of the population was equipped with the latest military style/grade weapons that the government could never go back on the Bill of Rights and oppress the people because the people could over throw that government. The founders plagarized a great deal of material from John Locke, one such instance John Locke wrote that (off the top of my head), "governments are instituted among men, in order to serve their interests, and whenever such government becomes destructive to those ends, it is the peoples right, in fact their duty to throw off such government." In addition it was written, I think by Jefferson, that "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    If you want a good example of what happens when the populace becomes largely disarmed, you can look to England. Their violent crime rate SKY ROCKETED after firearms became illegal. In addition, New Labour, passed a huge number of laws which are completely ridiculous and oppressive to free people everywhere. They have more CCTV cameras on the streets than people, they are required to surrender personal medical information to the government, and one other such nonsensical law is that they can be arrested if they have too much trash in their trash can to the point that the lid wont close completely. They can use the judicial recourse, but they are playing on New Labours playing field, and by New Labours rules, so the game is rigged basically. Then what final recourse do they have? None, they just have to bend over, lube up, and take it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    For those of you unfamiliar with US politics, let me explain. The founding fathers of our country wrote in several checks&balances on governments power. The various branches of government which had equal power, the legislative, judiciary, executive, etc. They are supposed to curtail one anothers power if one or the other ever becomes too abusive. These founders realised from looking at thousands of years of human history in politics, that even with such safeguards there were still ways that government could usurp its restrictions and become despotic in order to oppress the people. The 2nd Amendment, the right for the people to bear arms, was never really intended as self-defense against muggers and theives(although certainly useful as such), rather it was intended as the LAST CHECK&BALANCE against a tyrannical government. The founders realised that if a large percentage of the population was equipped with the latest military style/grade weapons that the government could never go back on the Bill of Rights and oppress the people because the people could over throw that government. The founders plagarized a great deal of material from John Locke, one such instance John Locke wrote that (off the top of my head), "governments are instituted among men, in order to serve their interests, and whenever such government becomes destructive to those ends, it is the peoples right, in fact their duty to throw off such government." In addition it was written, I think by Jefferson, that "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

    Which I believe It to be totally necessary as previously stated but for a long time the gun controllers have pointed at crime at the reason that gun control should be implemented with current statistics after approved open carry legislation even that contention can now be successfully refuted.. its become a joke...

    If you want a good example of what happens when the populace becomes largely disarmed, you can look to England. Their violent crime rate SKY ROCKETED after firearms became illegal. In addition, New Labour, passed a huge number of laws which are completely ridiculous and oppressive to free people everywhere. They have more CCTV cameras on the streets than people, they are required to surrender personal medical information to the government, and one other such nonsensical law is that they can be arrested if they have too much trash in their trash can to the point that the lid wont close completely. They can use the judicial recourse, but they are playing on New Labours playing field, and by New Labours rules, so the game is rigged basically. Then what final recourse do they have? None, they just have to bend over, lube up, and take it !

    Disgusting I recently read an article where a girl was fined something in the neighborhood of 120pound for putting her trashbin out 2 hours early the night before...
    I am truly scared as to what this world is coming to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    If you want a good example of what happens when the populace becomes largely disarmed, you can look to England. Their violent crime rate SKY ROCKETED after firearms became illegal. In addition, New Labour, passed a huge number of laws which are completely ridiculous and oppressive to free people everywhere. They have more CCTV cameras on the streets than people, they are required to surrender personal medical information to the government, and one other such nonsensical law is that they can be arrested if they have too much trash in their trash can to the point that the lid wont close completely. They can use the judicial recourse, but they are playing on New Labours playing field, and by New Labours rules, so the game is rigged basically. Then what final recourse do they have? None, they just have to bend over, lube up, and take it !
    Washington, DC is another example of failed gun control policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inheritmylife View Post
    Washington, DC is another example of failed gun control policies.
    Yes, failed in the sense that they dont support handgun ownership and conceal&carry for its citizens. Instead they have turned the city of DC into a criminal enbaling zone, and made the populace there easy prey for criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Yes, failed in the sense that they dont support handgun ownership and conceal&carry for its citizens. Instead they have turned the city of DC into a criminal enbaling zone, and made the populace there easy prey for criminals.
    Handguns aren't banned in DC anymore actually. A federal appeals court overturned that law, citing the 2nd Amendment. First time in US history. Pretty cool.

    Not that DC gunowners needed permission...

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    Quote Originally Posted by inheritmylife View Post
    Handguns aren't banned in DC anymore actually. A federal appeals court overturned that law, citing the 2nd Amendment. First time in US history. Pretty cool.

    Not that DC gunowners needed permission...
    Actually they appealed that and the decision currently lies with the supreme court scheduled for a ruling on the meaning of the second amendment..as in does it apply to the militia, the people, or both a very serious case.... being as I see the 2nd reading as both parties and the militia being the people it seems so ridiculous to me that we've even taken it this far...

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulstealer View Post
    Actually they appealed that and the decision currently lies with the supreme court scheduled for a ruling on the meaning of the second amendment..as in does it apply to the militia, the people, or both a very serious case.... being as I see the 2nd reading as both parties and the militia being the people it seems so ridiculous to me that we've even taken it this far...
    No suprise, but it may be better in the end. I'm no fan of the recent appointments to the supreme court, but I think they'll read the 2nd as a right of the people.

    I think they uphold it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inheritmylife View Post
    No suprise, but it may be better in the end. I'm no fan of the recent appointments to the supreme court, but I think they'll read the 2nd as a right of the people.

    I think they uphold it.
    X2 but I have to say not being a fan is an understatement some of them have a twisted view of reality... but I agree If I remember correctly a majority of them are true supporters of the 2nd amendment could be a landmark decision... so I'm waiting in anticipation...

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