Help with Next Cycle (Bulking)

[VR4]

Im currently in my last week of PCT, and would like to start thinking of my next cycle I will be starting in september.

It will be a bulking cycle.
stats:
5' 10" 180lbs 7%bf
Have used Sust Deca and dbol in the past.

I would like to have only a hrt dose of test with every cycle...not too crazy about the acne from test.

I really want to try Tren A so I can see how the sides are for me...and I want to do it during winter so that I dont have to walk around the beach with acne all over. But I think deca will be a better mass builder than tren.

I am also thinking about using anadrol for a kickstart.

So a cycle off the top of my head is:
weeks 1-4: 50mg/day anadrol
weeks 1-10: 250mg/week of prop shot ED
weeks 1-10(?): 400mg/week of Tren A shot ED

any other ideas?

[PT]

deca puts mass on me way better then tren. tren makes me really hard and strong.

[magic32]

I see the compounds, but how many cycles of which have you run and at what doses and durations?

[VR4]

I see the compounds, but how many cycles of which have you run and at what doses and durations?

Unfortunately only one of my cycles were completed correctly because I didnt plan properly.
Before I knew anything...I ran a deca only cycle...but could only run it for 4 weeks. My supplier gave me one vial..and said id get the next in a week. Then he said he cant get it anymore so I had to stop. I didnt run it long enough so I got no gains.

The cycle I just finished was 2 weeks of dbol at 25mg/day. (had to stop because of rediculous back pumps...still got a good 8 lbs those 2 weeks)
and 10 weeks of sust. at 350mg/week. Got decent results...but I drank too much alcohol during...and didnt eat enough food. I regret cycling during summer..that is why I want to wait until winter to give my bb'ing full attention.

I know everything I did wrong...and am going to do it perfect this time.

[graeme87]

You have played with steroids but never ran a proper cycle. The only thing there that comes close is the 10 weeks of sust and that was too low a dose.

I recommend you go for a 12 week test e cycle at 500mg a week and maybe use adrol or dbol as a kick start for the first 4 weeks.

[graeme87]

You say you’re not keen on the acne from test. I’m curious how often were you injecting the sust because I believe that could be your problem as sust has prop in it, it should be injected ed or at least eod.

[VR4]

You say you’re not keen on the acne from test. I’m curious how often were you injecting the sust because I believe that could be your problem as sust has prop in it, it should be injected ed or at least eod.

I was injecting EOD. The acne didnt start until the 4th week though.

[VR4]

You have played with steroids but never ran a proper cycle. The only thing there that comes close is the 10 weeks of sust and that was too low a dose.

I recommend you go for a 12 week test e cycle at 500mg a week and maybe use adrol or dbol as a kick start for the first 4 weeks.

Not too low a dose...just personal preferance. I wanted a lower dose because I knew I would get acne.

And I am not going to run a test only cycle. That is just parroted around because people should know how they react to test. I know how I react, and am going to keep it at HRT with a higher dose of a stronger compound.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Another question...if I had back pumps from dbol...will i be likely to get it from drol too? Or do people have different sides from those 2 compounds?

[graeme87]

OK, I just thought I’d ask as many people make the mistake of not injecting frequently enough which will cause a fluctuation in your test levels. That is obviously not the case with you.

Were you running an antiestrogen? That could help.

Or maybe you are just prone to acne and if that is the case deca or tren etc won’t be an easier on you than the test was.

[graeme87]

My guess would be if you got back pumps from dbol (especially at 25mg which is a low dose) you’ll get them from drol too. Although everyone reacts different so the only way to know for sure is to try it.

[VR4]

OK, I just thought I’d ask as many people make the mistake of not injecting frequently enough which will cause a fluctuation in your test levels. That is obviously not the case with you.

Were you running an antiestrogen? That could help.

Or maybe you are just prone to acne and if that is the case deca or tren etc won’t be an easier on you than the test was.

I ran l-dex at .25mg eod. Didnt seem to help much with the acne.

And for some reason I feel that the deca wont cause acne for me...the 4-5 weeks at 400mg/week i ran it for, I didnt get a single pimple.

I'm expecting the tren to give bad acne..but thats why I want to test it during winter when I can hide it.

[3dgamer]

Not to go to far from VR4's original cycle question...

The comments about acne confuse me. If the goal is to boost one's test level, then acne should be a very natural side effect confirming that the cycle is working (besides the size/strength increases), right?

I mean didn't just about everyone get at least a few nasties during puberty?

Of course, I've read that fluctuations in test can make it worse, but I think you see my point...

[Rock-Solid]

Deca is good for bulk, winny or tren and even anavar is good for trimming down for solid dense muscle gains...!

[bmit]

if bulking definitely run the deca over the tren, you will get more size (maybe not more muscle) and less sides.

[Rock-Solid]

if bulking definitely run the deca over the tren, you will get more size (maybe not more muscle) and less sides.

Run the cycle for about 8-10 weeks, see how ya go?

Have you got ur PCT planned out yet!

[VR4]

Not to go to far from VR4's original cycle question...

The comments about acne confuse me. If the goal is to boost one's test level, then acne should be a very natural side effect confirming that the cycle is working (besides the size/strength increases), right?

I mean didn't just about everyone get at least a few nasties during puberty?

Of course, I've read that fluctuations in test can make it worse, but I think you see my point...

I'm not saying that I shouldnt be getting acne...because I know its working. But I would like to avoid it by not using a high dose of test.

[VR4]

if bulking definitely run the deca over the tren, you will get more size (maybe not more muscle) and less sides.

Ok...i guess I'll be running deca then.
And what oral should I kick start it with?

[VR4]

so I'm now thinking:
weeks 1-4: 50mg/day anadrol
weeks 1-10: 250mg/week of prop shot ED
weeks 1-10(?): 600mg/week of Deca

should be able to gain a good 25lbs with a good diet right?