first time on deca

[stallion_1]

i dont wanna be a bully, lol but somebody needs to flame this newbie.

[Big]

i dont wanna be a bully, lol but somebody needs to flame this newbie.

on the contrary, he did the right thing by coming here for advice, so we need to point him in the right direction.

[Phate]

on the contrary, he did the right thing by coming here for advice, so we need to point him in the right direction.

agreed, though don't you think it would be best for him to stop now and pct, it's his first year of weight training and his bf% is a little high

[Big]

agreed, though don't you think it would be best for him to stop now and pct, it's his first year of weight training and his bf% is a little high

probably, but I'm not even sure if he knows what pct is yet.

[DSM4Life]

agreed, though don't you think it would be best for him to stop now and pct, it's his first year of weight training and his bf% is a little high

+2. Think you jumped on the cycle train little to early.

[stevedom]

thanks for taking time out to help . My prop is 100mgs/ml and deca is 300mgs/mls if these need adjusting then so be it as i said i want to do it right hence the reason for using this forum.

[stallion_1]

allright newbie here goes:
ur doing sus on mon and prop on wed and fri
sus has 30 mg of prop so ur doing 30 mg of prop on mon plus half a mil on wed and fri, ur test levels shall not be stable as prop should be done eod at the same dose. now when the other esters of test start acting this will be an even worse balance. deca takes a while to kick in. im sure u could get away as follows

mon and friday 30 mg prop
wed deca and sus

be sure to have proper pct

[Phate]

allright newbie here goes:
ur doing sus on mon and prop on wed and fri
sus has 30 mg of prop so ur doing 30 mg of prop on mon plus half a mil on wed and fri, ur test levels shall not be stable as prop should be done eod at the same dose. now when the other esters of test start acting this will be an even worse balance. deca takes a while to kick in. im sure u could get away as follows

mon and friday 30 mg prop
wed deca and sus

be sure to have proper pct

anyone else confused by this? cause i'm lost, anyway, IMO he doesn't need to be able to "get away" with his cycle, he needs to stop it, research properly, and give himself time to get his diet, which probably isn't very good, (no offense to the thread starter but diet is the most crucial and most neglected part of life) and get his body used to weight lifting

here's my reasoning at least

1. this is your first year of lifting and your joints, tendons, etc are not used to the strain of weightlifting, add in steroids and you can seriously hurt yourself

2. your diet is probably not very good, post it so we can help you with it, diet is 90% of gains on and off cycle

3. you need a much better knowledge of the stuff you are using, first off using prop and sust is redundant and your first cycle shouldn't have deca . because of gyno and estrogen related sides. Deca is a bad choice for a first cycle as it is a progestrine, let me elaborate a bit on this. Testosterone gets converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, but deca doesn't aromatize to estrogen at all, instead it stimulates progestrone, which can cause the same sides as estrogen, but here's the kicker
Since test stimulates sides via estrogen and deca stimulates sides via progestrone if you get sides which do you treat the gyno, acne, whatever... things like nolva actually can make sides caused by deca worse by making the progesterone receptors more sensitive

4. your bf is a little high for a cycle, some AS, like deca, cause water retention which raises blood pressure, so i'd wait and cut till i was at 14 minimum before starting a cycle, also, estrogen receptors are housed in fat, so the more fat you have while on cycle the more chance of estrogen related sides and the more intensity those sides will have.

anyway, thats just my opinion, not trying to flame you just giving you a heads up

[stallion_1]

anyone else confused by this? cause i'm lost, anyway, IMO he doesn't need to be able to "get away" with his cycle, he needs to stop it, research properly, and give himself time to get his diet, which probably isn't very good, (no offense to the thread starter but diet is the most crucial and most neglected part of life) and get his body used to weight lifting

here's my reasoning at least

1. this is your first year of lifting and your joints, tendons, etc are not used to the strain of weightlifting, add in steroids and you can seriously hurt yourself

2. your diet is probably not very good, post it so we can help you with it, diet is 90% of gains on and off cycle

3. you need a much better knowledge of the stuff you are using, first off using prop and sust is redundant and your first cycle shouldn't have deca . because of gyno and estrogen related sides. Deca is a bad choice for a first cycle as it is a progestrine, let me elaborate a bit on this. Testosterone gets converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, but deca doesn't aromatize to estrogen at all, instead it stimulates progestrone, which can cause the same sides as estrogen, but here's the kicker
Since test stimulates sides via estrogen and deca stimulates sides via progestrone if you get sides which do you treat the gyno, acne, whatever... things like nolva actually can make sides caused by deca worse by making the progesterone receptors more sensitive

4. your bf is a little high for a cycle, some AS, like deca, cause water retention which raises blood pressure, so i'd wait and cut till i was at 14 minimum before starting a cycle, also, estrogen receptors are housed in fat, so the more fat you have while on cycle the more chance of estrogen related sides and the more intensity those sides will have.

anyway, thats just my opinion, not trying to flame you just giving you a heads up

ya well to bad he aint gonna listen, im sure hell continue so instead of going down a bad path, he can try to improve it.

[Big]

anyone else confused by this?

I thought it was just me, that really wasn't much better than the initial "cycle" the poster proposed.

[stallion_1]

allright lads ill try to be more clear.

this dude is doing sus on mon and .5 mil on wed and fri.
suppose his prop is 100mg/ml now since sus has 30 mg/mil with some other esters, then hes doing 30mg of prop on mon and 50 of prop on wed and fri. not very good, since this will cause unstable test levels. now when the other esters of test found in the sus start kicking in this will cause an even more unstable balance.prop can be done ed, but it can also be done eod. now this dude needs to drop either the prop and just do the sus, or drop the sus and just do the prop eod. now if the user insists on doing sus and prop, one must take a look at all the test esters in the sus to try to find a balance with the additional test prop, which is what i was trying to do.

then this cycle would be the best

day 1 sust (30 mg prop+plus other test esters) and deca
day 2 skip
day 3 30 mg prop
day 4 skip
day 5 30 mg prop
day 6 skip
day 7 30 mg of prop
day 8 skip
day 9 sust and deca
........................and repeats again.

that way the prop will be stable, and when the other esters of the sus start kickin in, there wont be an imbalance of test to begin with.

[stevedom]

the reason for me sending this post is to get the right advice not egnore the replies. As for my diet i have 3009 calories 297g protien 146g carbs &137g good fat eg almonds flax oil etc. When i say its my first year i mean to say i'VE always done weights and training of different kinds such as MMA fighting so muscle and joints ar'nt an issue and bf started at 13% before stopping MMA and doing straight weight training so any advice given is taken not shrugged off i want to do it right and your help is much appreciated. If my diet needs changing and my cycle then please give me something to work with. PS u r right i don't know what pct is.