Anadrol/Enenthate/Tbol

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

1. yes, once you give up the abombs you will lose a good chunk of weight and some strength as well
2. of the 12 lbs, my guess 4lbs will easily go with the water and strength would probably go down 10-15% depending on how much strength gains u made
3. Tbol with help you gain back some of your strength and help solidify your gains somewhat..although you should also use test prop in wks 11-12 to minimize lag time to PCT, which I would like to know what u intend to do

your diet cals may have to be reduced (play with the carbs) or you may have to do some cardio if you want to lean out by the end of the cycle from the fat gains the abombs may have given u

All in all though, this is not a good cyle IMHO...I'm just helping cuz you're already well into it

[BMR]

I've actually been told this is a good cycle by a couple amateur bodybuilders so I went with it, I'm happy with it so far.

I'm running clomid and Nolva starting 2 weeks after last inject of enenthate for my pct.

I'm curious to know why you think its such a bad cycle. Are you not a fan of abombs?

[one8nine]

I've actually been told this is a good cycle by a couple amateur bodybuilders so I went with it, I'm happy with it so far.

I'm running clomid and Nolva starting 2 weeks after last inject of enenthate for my pct.

I'm curious to know why you think its such a bad cycle. Are you not a fan of abombs?

clomid SUCKS
replace it with proviron 50mg throughout pct

[one8nine]

1. yes, once you give up the abombs you will lose a good chunk of weight and some strength as well
2. of the 12 lbs, my guess 4lbs will easily go with the water and strength would probably go down 10-15% depending on how much strength gains u made
3. Tbol with help you gain back some of your strength and help solidify your gains somewhat..although you should also use test prop in wks 11-12 to minimize lag time to PCT, which I would like to know what u intend to do

your diet cals may have to be reduced (play with the carbs) or you may have to do some cardio if you want to lean out by the end of the cycle from the fat gains the abombs may have given u

All in all though, this is not a good cycle IMHO...I'm just helping cuz you're already well into it

i have to respectfully disagree
you should not lose any strength at all if you diet/workout right
and for a 200lb man, suggesting to go under 4000kcals on cycle is insane

i also disagree with the necessity of prop, the tbol is extended to week 12, which is genius if you ask me, that will cover lag

[daem]

i also disagree with the necessity of prop, the tbol is extended to week 12, which is genius if you ask me, that will cover lag

First of all, if you've ever taken anadrol at 100 or 150mg/ED, you'd know how severe the crash is regardless of whether you are running other gear.

He kick-started with it, and is running a fairly low dosage of test with that dosage of anadrol. I've only ran anadrol at 100mg/ED when I was running 750 or 1g/wk of test...Trust me, even at those test dosages, you can STILL feel the difference the day after you cease administering it. It's not some smooth transition that is simple to make.

The rest of his cycle could be a disappointment.

Personally I think the toughest part of the cycle will be his week 3-5 as the testosterone may not have kicked in yet to compensate.

Nothing in this cycle is "genius".

[one8nine]

First of all, if you've ever taken anadrol at 100 or 150mg/ED, you'd know how severe the crash is regardless of whether you are running other gear.

He kick-started with it, and is running a fairly low dosage of test with that dosage of anadrol. I've only ran anadrol at 100mg/ED when I was running 750 or 1g/wk of test...Trust me, even at those test dosages, you can STILL feel the difference the day after you cease administering it. It's not some smooth transition that is simple to make.

The rest of his cycle could be a disappointment.

Personally I think the toughest part of the cycle will be his week 3-5 as the testosterone may not have kicked in yet to compensate.

Nothing in this cycle is "genius".

i have run drol 100mg ed for 4 weeks (one cycle) but i know how to lift and eat i had no problem

it has a kickstart before test e kicks in, and he covered the 2 weeks before pct with an oral, i like it
and you said weeks 3-4 will be a problem
hes running drol 1-3
so you means weeks 4-5?

so you are saying one needs to run over 1g of test to justify the usage of anadrol at 100mg?

[daem]

i have run drol 100mg ed for 4 weeks (one cycle) but i know how to lift and eat i had no problem

it has a kickstart before test e kicks in, and he covered the 2 weeks before pct with an oral, i like it
and you said weeks 3-4 will be a problem
hes running drol 1-3
so you means weeks 4-5?

so you are saying one needs to run over 1g of test to justify the usage of anadrol at 100mg?

Hey bro, I wasn't knocking your experiences at all or insinuating you don't know how to lift/eat properly. Quite the contrary...Just trying to give the OP and others something to think about.

I said weeks 3-5 will be tough in my original post. Even though he said he frontloaded, there's a chance that it may not be fully concentrated yet. Even though he finishes up the anadrol at the end of week 3, this is where his hormones are most out of whack before stabilizing with the test. Yanking the anadrol before test levels stabilize could actually confuse his body. This is why I've never heard of frontloading for less than 4 weeks for strong orals like dianabol or anadrol or done it differently...Personally I use prop or suspension for each kickstart.

If you see my original post, I stated that running LESS than 750mg/EW isn't ideal in my own opinion. 500mg of test with 100mg of anadrol/wk is setting up a body to plateau in strength for at least 1-2 weeks until blood levels are consistent via the test. Mentally, that's a tough place to be.

Like you said, everyone is different. Therefore it's difficult for anyone to generalize but 100mg sounds pretty high to me in a tamer cycle like 500mg of testosterone enanthate. The benefit is overshadowed by the blood pressure sides of that kind of anadrol dosage and isn't something most inexperienced users can get away with cleanly.

[one8nine]

Hey bro, I wasn't knocking your experiences at all or insinuating you don't know how to lift/eat properly. Quite the contrary...Just trying to give the OP and others something to think about.

I said weeks 3-5 will be tough in my original post. Even though he said he frontloaded, there's a chance that it may not be fully concentrated yet. Even though he finishes up the anadrol at the end of week 3, this is where his hormones are most out of whack before stabilizing with the test. Yanking the anadrol before test levels stabilize could actually confuse his body. This is why I've never heard of frontloading for less than 4 weeks for strong orals like dianabol or anadrol or done it differently...Personally I use prop or suspension for each kickstart.

If you see my original post, I stated that running LESS than 750mg/EW isn't ideal in my own opinion. 500mg of test with 100mg of anadrol/wk is setting up a body to plateau in strength for at least 1-2 weeks until blood levels are consistent via the test. Mentally, that's a tough place to be.

Like you said, everyone is different. Therefore it's difficult for anyone to generalize but 100mg sounds pretty high to me in a tamer cycle like 500mg of testosterone enanthate. The benefit is overshadowed by the blood pressure sides of that kind of anadrol dosage and isn't something most inexperienced users can get away with cleanly.

no insult taken at all
i guess i wasdnt clear, i strength train. i power lift/wrestle/fight mma so im sure my strength difference was greatly influenced by my training

i just cant picture there being a plateau with 9 weeks left of test, and tbol too. thats sort of like saying he might as well go into pct now?

[daem]

no insult taken at all
i guess i wasdnt clear, i strength train. i power lift/wrestle/fight mma so im sure my strength difference was greatly influenced by my training

i just cant picture there being a plateau with 9 weeks left of test, and tbol too. thats sort of like saying he might as well go into pct now?

No no, not 9 weeks to plateau...1-2 weeks during weeks 3-5 until the testosterone is helping him fire on all cylinders.

I meant the cycle being a disappointment in that he took the most powerful drug first, is running a low dose of test for a *short* 10 weeks, and then is running a compound that could limit the effectiveness of his PCT protocol. Disappointment stemming from adequate recovery and the ability to hold his gains.

I don't think he'll have ANY difficulty making gains in subsequent weeks, but holding them with the way it's outlined is the tricky part. The decision to gap the last testosterone injection from PCT with turinabol isn't priming his body to be fully ready for PCT if he is completely shutdown. He's running such a light dose of test that he may not even get shut down completely, and that would be a plus.

I've never felt turinabol was worth it given how much you need to take, even though it's cheap...Then again, I'm pretty much against all orals these days because of the side effects I get from them.

It's great having different perspectives to help shape thinking for everyone