thanks-especially about the winstrol not shredding-i was always told that-i was even told by a guy at the gym to take winstrol over clen for weight loss-speaking of clen is it best to take t3 with clen or 3 weeks clen then 3 weeks t3-im also taking 50mg a night of benadryl to keep from getting used to clen as it was lot cheaper than that ketofein(?sp) i was told to use.thanks again for your help