starting my cycle..

[slippz]

okay. i'm very new to ingestion of external substances for lifting....
i've been doing about a week's worth of research and i've come to the conclusion this is what i want to do.

i ordered some d-bol and am ready to start cycling it (haven't received it yet). i've read in numerous places that i should be cycling d-bol with some sort of injection, as d-bol is an immediate result kinda thing and the injections would provide long term results.

i haven't ordered any injections, and d-bol is the only thing i've ordered. would it be efficient to cycle it alone? or would i need something else? would a pct be necessary? (nolvadex?)

i also use ON protein, and drink that a few times a day, mixed with water.

i've also started my diet, which consists of....
oatmeal / cereal in the morning and a boiled egg or two
2 grilled chicken breasts with brown rice for lunch (sometimes eat a chicken sandwich with wheat, lettuce, miracle whip, and american cheese)
steak and potatoes for dinner

here are some stats
age: 19
height: 5'11
weight: 250
body fat: 23%

help!

[g0dsend]

You ordered roids with only a week's worth of research? I think your getting yourself into this too quick, people on this board spend months and sometimes years of research before jumping into a cycle. Wait a while longer to start using gear, 19 is not the best age to start using them and 23% bodyfat is not the best percent to start a cycle, you should diet down.

Dbols should not be taken alone, should be run with some form of Testosterone for your first cycle, Enanthate, Cypionate, or Propionate.

And yes, a PCT is needed.

[slippz]

yeah.

now that i think about it, you're right. does dbol have an expiration time? so i could leave it in my room for a few months and start taking it after i slim down?

i've been reading the educational forums for a bit. i think i'm going to spend more time in there. is there any place where u can refer me in there that would let me know more about cycling mentioned products above?

[T_Own]

whoa..
bad cycle
bad diet
bad bf
bad idea

[one8nine]

okay. i'm very new to ingestion of external substances for lifting....
i've been doing about a week's worth of research and i've come to the conclusion this is what i want to do.

i ordered some d-bol and am ready to start cycling it (haven't received it yet). i've read in numerous places that i should be cycling d-bol with some sort of injection, as d-bol is an immediate result kinda thing and the injections would provide long term results.

i haven't ordered any injections, and d-bol is the only thing i've ordered. would it be efficient to cycle it alone? or would i need something else? would a pct be necessary? (nolvadex?)

i also use ON protein, and drink that a few times a day, mixed with water.

i've also started my diet, which consists of....
oatmeal / cereal in the morning and a boiled egg or two
2 grilled chicken breasts with brown rice for lunch (sometimes eat a chicken sandwich with wheat, lettuce, miracle whip, and american cheese)
steak and potatoes for dinner

here are some stats
age: 19
height: 5'11
weight: 250
body fat: 23%

help!

your new diet is not so great. good start but you need 5-6 small meals a day.
also cycling higher than 12% is dangerous, unhealthy, hinders gains, and causes severe side effects at your bf%
clen can help you cut

diet
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6
http://www.steroid.com/diet.php

clen faq
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=269240

once you get your diet under control and your bf to a respectable% youll be ready to cycle here are some starter packs

phate's starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355504

kale's starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331179

my (one8nine's) starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

[slippz]

hey one8nine,
thanks for the information! it is very helpful. i will spend countless hours and days reading the provided information!
also, to slim down, i've been taking hydroxycut hardcore. i don't know if you guys frown down upon that.
does it work? i just started taking it a few weeks ago and have noticed that i lost some weight.... but this could also be because i'm eating healthier...

t_own,
thanks for your unhelpful comment. you could include reasons as to why things were bad and whatnot, but i guess one8nine did most of it.

[T_Own]

oh any time. if you spent 5 minutes researching you could come to the same conclusions i did.

[slippz]

that's great!

[one8nine]

hey one8nine,
thanks for the information! it is very helpful. i will spend countless hours and days reading the provided information!
also, to slim down, i've been taking hydroxycut hardcore. i don't know if you guys frown down upon that.
does it work? i just started taking it a few weeks ago and have noticed that i lost some weight.... but this could also be because i'm eating healthier...

t_own,
thanks for your unhelpful comment. you could include reasons as to why things were bad and whatnot, but i guess one8nine did most of it.

hydroxy-cut to the best of my knowledge is just an appetite suppressant. so yeah you'll cut while on it but when you come off of it your metabolism will be slowed. so more harm than good in the end.
i say drop it.

clen works a few ways, mainly by being a thermogenic, it literally melts your fat be increasing temp.
in order of importance you need
1) diet
2) diet
3) diet
4) cardio/clen
5) newbie threads

[DSM4Life]

okay. i'm very new to ingestion of external substances for lifting....
i've been doing about a week's worth of research and i've come to the conclusion this is what i want to do.

i ordered some d-bol and am ready to start cycling it (haven't received it yet). i've read in numerous places that i should be cycling d-bol with some sort of injection, as d-bol is an immediate result kinda thing and the injections would provide long term results.

i haven't ordered any injections, and d-bol is the only thing i've ordered. would it be efficient to cycle it alone? or would i need something else? would a pct be necessary? (nolvadex?)

i also use ON protein, and drink that a few times a day, mixed with water.

i've also started my diet, which consists of....
oatmeal / cereal in the morning and a boiled egg or two
2 grilled chicken breasts with brown rice for lunch (sometimes eat a chicken sandwich with wheat, lettuce, miracle whip, and american cheese)
steak and potatoes for dinner

here are some stats
age: 19
height: 5'11
weight: 250
body fat: 23%

help!

You spent a week researching and came up with d-bol as your first cycle ? Give me a break.

[GT2]

You spent a week researching and came up with d-bol as your first cycle ? Give me a break.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[slippz]

You spent a week researching and came up with d-bol as your first cycle ? Give me a break.

i hope you get crank walk

so maybe you're right. i may have jumped into this too fast. but i thought dbol would be ideal because it's an oral drug and not an injection...

one8nine, should i use clen as a dietary supplement? i read the faq and it sounds good, but i'm asking is it worth it to help shed lbs? it seems other people have had success with it, but they were probably a little less heavier than me with less bf.

would it work, given my age, weight, and bf?

[DSM4Life]

i hope you get crank walk

so maybe you're right. i may have jumped into this too fast. but i thought dbol would be ideal because it's an oral drug and not an injection...

one8nine, should i use clen as a dietary supplement? i read the faq and it sounds good, but i'm asking is it worth it to help shed lbs? it seems other people have had success with it, but they were probably a little less heavier than me with less bf.

would it work, given my age, weight, and bf?

Good call.

Nope for a first cycle test at 500mg a week show 2x a week is best.

[one8nine]

i hope you get crank walk

so maybe you're right. i may have jumped into this too fast. but i thought dbol would be ideal because it's an oral drug and not an injection...

one8nine, should i use clen as a dietary supplement? i read the faq and it sounds good, but i'm asking is it worth it to help shed lbs? it seems other people have had success with it, but they were probably a little less heavier than me with less bf.

would it work, given my age, weight, and bf?

i personally dont use it but my diet/workout are on point. the sloppiest i get is 11%-12%. probably 9% most of the time. ive been 6%

[jethro1]

A good diet, cardio, and clen will definitly help u drop some bf. Man up and start pinning if u want to do this the right way, get everything else in check first though.

[RangersLTW]

I thought clen doesn't work right without a proper diet?

[one8nine]

I thought clen doesn't work right without a proper diet?

correcto

[RangersLTW]

I am not trying to be rude but it seems like he is more interested in the quick way than the right way. How about you post a diet plan and let us go over it. The other stuff is not in your interest if you can not do the stuff right that makes it work at its peak performance.

[slippz]

thank you guys for some great pointers.

jethro, what do you mean by "man up and start pinning" ? i tried to look in the glossary of terminology used on this site and couldn't find it. lol.

and to everyone, i will be looking into ordering clen. i know posting websites of where to order is forbidden on this site, so i will have to do more research on where to get it. i've been reading the FAQs and searched topics on clen, and it seems to be worth it.

one8nine, what exactly do you mean by a "proper diet" ? ? ?

also.. i started my training on monday. i will be starting a photo diary to track my weight loss / mass gains.

here's my workout plan....
everyday before i work out, i do about 10-13 minutes of 180+strides per minute on the elliptical as a warm up

monday / thursday
biceps
rows
lat pulldown with closegrip bar
standing curls
shoulders
military press
shrugs
upright butterfly
back
rows
lat pulldowns with big bar
pull ups
deadlifts

tuesday / friday
chest
flatbench
decline bench
butterflies
triceps
tricep push things (pushing downwards on the little rope or whatever)
pushups
dips

wednesday
- running on the elliptical for 30 minutes
- running 1 mile
- ab workouts
- jump ropes

then friday night i take an ice bath for like 15 minutes.

as for my diet... i'm still trying to construct what exactly it is i should be eating and whatnot.. but this is my plan..

breakfast
-oatmeal
-orange juice
-1 scoop of optimum nutrition protein mixed with 9 ounces of water
-random fruits

lunch
-2 grilled chicken breasts with white rice
-lettuce
-fruits

dinner
-grilled steak with grilled hot dog

all the cooking of foods will be done with the george foreman grill to grill off that fat and stuff..

how is everything looking?

[g0dsend]

lol, you mean Flys, not Butterflies.

[slippz]

LOL
thank you. did not catch that. its like, 2 am central here. =P
so how is it looking? what can i add on / throw away?
what needs improving?

BTW!! UPDATE
i got my body fat tested today at my gym before i lifted, and it's actually 21.8 and not 23!!! so it's not as bad as i thought, but it's still pretty bad. lol.
and it wasn't measured with the caliper. it was measured with the one i hold out in front of me

[g0dsend]

How many sets and reps are you doing? Post your workout in the Workout section so it gets more critique.

[81RIDER]

23%BF is to high!!!

[slippz]

yes! it is! lol.

[T_Own]

you still need to work on your diet. aim for 6 smaller meals every day, come up with something and post it in the diet section with macros included and it will get critiqued.

no leg workouts?

[Phate]

thank you guys for some great pointers.

jethro, what do you mean by "man up and start pinning" ? i tried to look in the glossary of terminology used on this site and couldn't find it. lol.
pinning means injecting the AS instead of doing oral cycles which are toxic and not very good, with a few exceptions
and to everyone, i will be looking into ordering clen. i know posting websites of where to order is forbidden on this site, so i will have to do more research on where to get it. i've been reading the FAQs and searched topics on clen, and it seems to be worth it.

one8nine, what exactly do you mean by a "proper diet" ? ? ?
i'll help you with that
also.. i started my training on monday. i will be starting a photo diary to track my weight loss / mass gains.

here's my workout plan....
everyday before i work out, i do about 10-13 minutes of 180+strides per minute on the elliptical as a warm up

monday / thursday
biceps
rows
lat pulldown with closegrip bar
standing curls
shoulders
military press
shrugs
upright butterfly
back
rows
lat pulldowns with big bar
pull ups
deadlifts

tuesday / friday
chest
flatbench
decline bench
butterflies
triceps
tricep push things (pushing downwards on the little rope or whatever)
pushups
dips

wednesday
- running on the elliptical for 30 minutes
- running 1 mile
- ab workouts
- jump ropes

then friday night i take an ice bath for like 15 minutes.

as for my diet... i'm still trying to construct what exactly it is i should be eating and whatnot.. but this is my plan..

breakfast
-oatmeal
-orange juice
-1 scoop of optimum nutrition protein mixed with 9 ounces of water
-random fruits
cut out fruit juice and fruits, add 1 scoop of protein powder or other lean protein source
lunch
-2 grilled chicken breasts with white rice
-lettuce
-fruits
cut out fruit and add sweet potatos
dinner
-grilled steak with grilled hot dog
cut out the hot dog
all the cooking of foods will be done with the george foreman grill to grill off that fat and stuff..

how is everything looking?

you need to eat every three hours or so

[slippz]

you still need to work on your diet. aim for 6 smaller meals every day, come up with something and post it in the diet section with macros included and it will get critiqued.
no leg workouts?

thank you!
and as for legs workout, i forgot about them. lol. here is my updated workout cycle with reps and weight added!
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355981

phate-
i really appreciate you adding in what needs to be improved in my diet .
might i ask why i should be taking out the fruits and oj?

also, since i'd be eating every 3 hours to increase metabolism, is there anything i should add? or should i just separate the meals and eat half / half and stuff?

guys seriously. all your help really means a lot. i always look forward to coming onto this website right when i get home