Hello, just a quick question.

[binder]

If those are the ranges your doctor gave you on free test then you are fine. Right in the middle. Why question that?

There are many other reasons for a person not to develop early on. I grew a beard in 7th grade, but i didn't grow in height until I was 16. So does that mean I had high test or low test? Neither. There are too many other factors.

What about female children that do not grown? Their growth is delayed or not at all due to a possible disease process or just a variation in human nature.

Maybe you had a cleaner (steroid free) diet as a child. Puberty is defined as a period of about a decade that starts in the teen years. Puberty can last as long as mid twenties.

No body hair also doesn't mean low test. I have a friend that is 26 and still does not at all grow body hair except a short amount of hair on his head. I've seen clinical cases of people that do not grow any hair at all on their bodies.

Go with what your doctor says. If you're going through puberty now, then your hormones are working fine....why alter that at such an early age and possibly throw it all away?

I'm confused why anyone even goes to their doctor when they just second guess them and throw their knowledge under the bus when they hear it.

[zaggahamma]

If those are the ranges your doctor gave you on free test then you are fine. Right in the middle. Why question that?

There are many other reasons for a person not to develop early on. I grew a beard in 7th grade, but i didn't grow in height until I was 16. So does that mean I had high test or low test? Neither. There are too many other factors.

What about female children that do not grown? Their growth is delayed or not at all due to a possible disease process or just a variation in human nature.

Maybe you had a cleaner (steroid free) diet as a child. Puberty is defined as a period of about a decade that starts in the teen years. Puberty can last as long as mid twenties.

No body hair also doesn't mean low test. I have a friend that is 26 and still does not at all grow body hair except a short amount of hair on his head. I've seen clinical cases of people that do not grow any hair at all on their bodies.

Go with what your doctor says. If you're going through puberty now, then your hormones are working fine....why alter that at such an early age and possibly throw it all away?

I'm confused why anyone even goes to their doctor when they just second guess them and throw their knowledge under the bus when they hear it.

i need to research that further....are you saying test level(s) have NOTHING to do with beard growth, growing of musculature, deepening of the voice, etc,?
and about the doctor...i made a post in another thread about advice here vs. doctor advice....doctor you can sue....but I WOULD DEFINATELY NOT put my health 100% in a doctor's hands...i will listen to him, research, etc., but i am the ultimate decider of what i put in my body
i believe that these young fellows are getting the point i'm trying to get across

[binder]

i need to research that further....are you saying test level(s) have NOTHING to do with beard growth, growing of musculature, deepening of the voice, etc,?

nowhere in my post did i say that. don't quote me unless you quote me verbatim please.

now J. if you want to juice just say it. don't talk about your disease and signs and stuff when they don't point you in the direction of low test.

Being on the upper end doesn't mean anything. You've made great growth without it so why do you think it's too low? Mine is BELOW the normal range and i'm only 25 years old. I function normal, i don't feel sluggish or depressed or any of those "low testosterone" symptoms. I have to shave twice a day because i grow a beard that fast....

point being that your test is in the normal range. If you want to use steroids then just say that and don't bs with all this stuff about how you're "just barely under the middle of the range" and how that is affecting you.

[J_scrolls]

nowhere in my post did i say that. don't quote me unless you quote me verbatim please.

now J. if you want to juice just say it. don't talk about your disease and signs and stuff when they don't point you in the direction of low test.

Being on the upper end doesn't mean anything. You've made great growth without it so why do you think it's too low? Mine is BELOW the normal range and i'm only 25 years old. I function normal, i don't feel sluggish or depressed or any of those "low testosterone" symptoms. I have to shave twice a day because i grow a beard that fast....

point being that your test is in the normal range. If you want to use steroids then just say that and don't bs with all this stuff about how you're "just barely under the middle of the range" and how that is affecting you.

I honestly want to take steroids more for benefits other than muscle mass, I thought it would increase my facial hair development and other hair development, I'm honestly the equivalent to a 15-16 yr old boy. I also look young too, I just assumed this is a testosterone deficiency - am I wrong, is there any other ways to increase this other than boosting testosterone? Muscle mass would be a very nice bonus in the process tho, I must admit.

Thankyou on complimenting my gains, CF is actually a luxury whilst bulking as I can cheat often and not put on any fat, I can also go well over my maintenance level of calories and still not gain any fat.

[J_scrolls]

If those are the ranges your doctor gave you on free test then you are fine. Right in the middle. Why question that?

I have many reasons to question it, I wasnt diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis until I was 14, meaning doctors failed to see my symptoms and think to get me tested. Despite 95% of people getting diagnosed before the age of 3, it wasn't until I read an article in the newspaper that I decided to get tested and guess what I had it! There is a lot of great doctors out there, dont get me wrong, but there is also a lot of bad ones just like in any occupation.

My doctor who gave me the ranges is a lung specialist and a GP, not a endocrinologist. I've since read just because you're in the normal range doesnt mean its optimal and a lot of people benefit from being in the higher threshold. I read that on the sticky on this forum..


As for my routine, I started out at about 5"11, 145 and i've been bulking for a steady year with a few minor mishaps (went to hospital for my lungs, broke my hand). I workout 4 times a week and eat roughly 5-6 meals a day, this is my workout.

Monday: Chest/abs/calves
Tuesday: off
Wednesday: Back/bis
Thursdayff
Thursday: Shoulders/tris
Friday: off
Saturday: legs
Sunday: off

I'll give a sample of yesterdays diet:

8:30AM: 4 scrambled eggs (with yolk) with 3/4 cup of oats(uncooked measurment) and orange juice
11:00AM: 200g of tuna and a glass of milk
1AM: 350g of chicken with 2/3 cup of rice (uncooked)
3:30PM: 2 scoops of muscle milk with full cream milk
7:00PM: Chicken Parmigana (chicken with skin and ham/tomato paste and cheese) with brockerly and carrots
10:00PM: 2 slices of wholegrain bread with peanut butter and a glass of milk

I have almost the same stuff everday except my dinner will vary depending on what my mothers cooking, sometimes it will be steak, pasta, lamb etc.

After about a year with a few months MIA I'm at 170 pounds at around the same body fat (11%).. Cystic Fibrosis makes putting on fat almost impossible and its encouraged to eat a high fat diet. As I said, I dont want to be at an above natural level, I just want higher test as I want to see if my body benefits from it.

[zaggahamma]

I have many reasons to question it, I wasnt diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis until I was 14, meaning doctors failed to see my symptoms and think to get me tested. Despite 95% of people getting diagnosed before the age of 3, it wasn't until I read an article in the newspaper that I decided to get tested and guess what I had it! There is a lot of great doctors out there, dont get me wrong, but there is also a lot of bad ones just like in any occupation.

My doctor who gave me the ranges is a lung specialist and a GP, not a endocrinologist. I've since read just because you're in the normal range doesnt mean its optimal and a lot of people benefit from being in the higher threshold. I read that on the sticky on this forum..


As for my routine, I started out at about 5"11, 145 and i've been bulking for a steady year with a few minor mishaps (went to hospital for my lungs, broke my hand). I workout 4 times a week and eat roughly 5-6 meals a day, this is my workout.

Monday: Chest/abs/calves
Tuesday: off
Wednesday: Back/bis
Thursdayff
Thursday: Shoulders/tris
Friday: off
Saturday: legs
Sunday: off

I'll give a sample of yesterdays diet:

8:30AM: 4 scrambled eggs (with yolk) with 3/4 cup of oats(uncooked measurment) and orange juice
11:00AM: 200g of tuna and a glass of milk
1AM: 350g of chicken with 2/3 cup of rice (uncooked)
3:30PM: 2 scoops of muscle milk with full cream milk
7:00PM: Chicken Parmigana (chicken with skin and ham/tomato paste and cheese) with brockerly and carrots
10:00PM: 2 slices of wholegrain bread with peanut butter and a glass of milk

I have almost the same stuff everday except my dinner will vary depending on what my mothers cooking, sometimes it will be steak, pasta, lamb etc.

After about a year with a few months MIA I'm at 170 pounds at around the same body fat (11%).. Cystic Fibrosis makes putting on fat almost impossible and its encouraged to eat a high fat diet. As I said, I dont want to be at an above natural level, I just want higher test as I want to see if my body benefits from it.

props on the achievement thus far....25 % and same bf%....diet...not bad, imo