increasing vascularity while bulking?

[one8nine]

i hate all this cutting bulking crap
if you learn right theres no reason you cant builkd muscle and cut fat at the same time

my last cycle i went 180# 12%-> 215 7% on 6k Cals- 8k Cals ed

[GTOne]

i hate all this cutting bulking crap
if you learn right theres no reason you cant builkd muscle and cut fat at the same time

my last cycle i went 180# 12%-> 215 7% on 6k Cals- 8k Cals ed

Damn - 6K to 8K calories a day?

I have trouble getting to 4K...

That's a lot of food...

[Nitro29]

Damn - 6K to 8K calories a day?

I have trouble getting to 4K...

That's a lot of food...

189 = machine

[GTOne]

189 = machine

I am starting to realize this...

[jstraw428]

i hate all this cutting bulking crap
if you learn right theres no reason you cant builkd muscle and cut fat at the same time

my last cycle i went 180# 12%-> 215 7% on 6k Cals- 8k Cals ed

thank you 189.....i am glad someone views this the same way i do.....why does everyone have a bulk and a cut cycle....if you do it right, you can gain a ton of muscle and still lose a lot of fat......that is my goal all the time.....

the only time for a true cutting cycle is when preparing for competition......

[DSM4Life]

i hate all this cutting bulking crap
if you learn right theres no reason you cant builkd muscle and cut fat at the same time

my last cycle i went 180# 12%-> 215 7% on 6k Cals- 8k Cals ed

cause everyone is different.

[FireGuy]

i hate all this cutting bulking crap
if you learn right theres no reason you cant builkd muscle and cut fat at the same time

my last cycle i went 180# 12%-> 215 7% on 6k Cals- 8k Cals ed

You put on 41.55 LBS of muscle amd lost 6.45 lbs of fat in one cycle??? I have heard of people making good gains but I am having trouble believing this one. How long was this cycle?

[football2007]

i hate all this cutting bulking crap
if you learn right theres no reason you cant builkd muscle and cut fat at the same time

my last cycle i went 180# 12%-> 215 7% on 6k Cals- 8k Cals ed

A little misleading...that isn't possible without a large amount of tren, DHTs and muscle memory, as you said. I wouldn't make it sound that easy for everyone to accomplish. It is very very hard for an advanced bodybuilder/lifter to gain muscle and lose fat without the correct quantity & quality of AAS..diet or not

[one8nine]

A little misleading...that isn't possible without a large amount of tren, DHTs and muscle memory, as you said. I wouldn't make it sound that easy for everyone to accomplish. It is very very hard for an advanced bodybuilder/lifter to gain muscle and lose fat without the correct quantity & quality of AAS..diet or not

maybe not that dramatically but at very least add 15 pounds cut 3%, thats very reasonable on a cycle of test e even

[SuperG]

My first cycle was Test e and eq... that did for me exactly what you're asking for.
I put on 15lbs and got very vascular and lean.

Just my 2 cents

[GTOne]

My first cycle was Test e and eq... that did for me exactly what you're asking for.
I put on 15lbs and got very vascular and lean.

Just my 2 cents

SuperG - curious what your diet looked like (your weight, how many calories per day, protein consumption, etc.), and how much cardio you did?

Thanks

[G-Force]

i think genetic play an important role in whether an individual is able to do this

ithe best i have managed is to bulk heavy without putting on any fat - but only using hgh, T4 high calories and high doseages of AAS

and i may have even lost a little bodyfat - maybe 1 % while gaining muscle

i mean we know that u need a surplus of cals for muscle gain and a deficit for fat loss

i think the only way to achieve cut and bulk at the same time is

1. supreme genetics
2. lots of gear
3. precise calorie calculations and carb cycling (low on non workout high on workout)

[one8nine]

i think genetic play an important role in whether an individual is able to do this

ithe best i have managed is to bulk heavy without putting on any fat - but only using hgh, T4 high calories and high doseages of AAS

and i may have even lost a little bodyfat - maybe 1 % while gaining muscle

i mean we know that u need a surplus of cals for muscle gain and a deficit for fat loss

i think the only way to achieve cut and bulk at the same time is

1. supreme genetics
2. lots of gear
3. precise calorie calculations and carb cycling (low on non workout high on workout)

this is absolutely wrong
the type and quality of cal is very important