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Haha, i hope u did. Dont want to look like a newb and make a new thread asking people how to dose my 275mg gear to get 300mg out of it, haha. I thought it would be 1.1-1.2. Anyone else have some insight on this? Thanks stpete, appreciate it but would like to know for sure.Originally Posted by stpete
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Today was my first inject with my new ugl gear. Its dosed at 275mg/ml and was looking to shoot 300mg so i did 1.1ml. Warmed up the vial, tried drawing with my 23g (since i was told i could easily do so) but still had trouble, shot with 25g. Even so, i can easily tell this gear is thinner than my last ugl so thats good. Shot my right pec no probs and no pain. 5hrs later, no pain, next day (today) no pain at all! I love it! Might just go back to drawing with my 20g and shooting with my 23g but lovin this gear cus zero pain! My goal now is 600mg a week til the end.
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Did chest today and loved it! Was easily up 10-20lbs on all my lifts and pushin it like nothing. HAd a great pump in my chest and felt pretty damn strong. FInally noticing the strength gains and my whole body feels pumped and strong all day long, love it. No prohormones compare to the real deal my firends, none!
My body weight unfortunately keeps fluctuating so i dont know where the hell im at. I started pre-cycle at 198lbs weighing myself first thing in the morning upon waking up. Weighed myself 2 nights ago just before bed at a solid 210lbs. Weighed myself today 3hrs after my first meal at 206.7lbs. At least im still up a good 8-10lbs from 5 weeks ago i guess. Diet been in check and if anything trying to eat slightly larger portions every 3hrs than normal since im on cycle. Been doin cardio 4-5 days a week so im sure thats keeping my water weight down and bloat away (i really dont see any bloat at all in me). I feel maybe 4lbs water weight gain and maybe 4-6lbs muscle gain, something like a 50/50 mix right now. Ima post up pics midway through at week 6 day 1 for u guys to help me compare to my before pics.
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So what your saying is that I need to get off that weak sauce and hop on the test train. lol. Well thats good to hear from you that prohormones don't compare to the real deal. I can't wait to start. Hopefully I'll get big
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No injection pain at all today, lovin it! Unfortunately since today was the first day of the fall semester i had to go and add classes last minute so no gym. At least i got my school schedule to work around my work and gym schedule and still able to get 10 units. My chest feels a little sore but thats just from my workout and feels sore in a good way. My muscles feel pumped even on my off days its great. FOr some reason though my arms like my forearms, bis, and tris feel the most pumped everyday. Cant complain, just thought my larger muscle groups would feel more pumped than my smallest. Back/calfs/cardio tomorrow.
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Oh yeah bro! Ive tried m1t, superdrol, orginal halo (which im gonna through in the last 4 weeks), orastan a and e, 11oxo, phera, you get the idea. None of these, not even stacked compare to what im finally feeling now in week 5 of this test e cycle bro. Stop pus*y footing around and get on the real stuff. Prohormones do have their place but this is a whole other level here. Sine ive stocked up on the good ph's and have a sh*tload of them, ill use them in future cycles to either jumpstart or end a cycle.So what your saying is that I need to get off that weak sauce and hop on the test train. lol. Well thats good to hear from you that prohormones don't compare to the real deal. I can't wait to start. Hopefully I'll get big
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Ok you got me all excited I can't wait any longer, I'm starting right now. haha jk. Well as soon as I finish this log, PCT and get my blood work back in check, I'ma get it done! Don't worry I'm not waiting the standard wait time like most people suggest after a cycle. I use to wait like 6 months to a year before I started another 4 or six week PH cycle. I'm at least giving it 2 weeks after PCT before I get blood work done and if it checks out well I'm going for it.
BTW I'm glad your starting to progress. Get it done!!!!
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I think its more legit blood work than time on and pct=time off. I think that protocol is more for aas users and for the 75% of americans like me without medicial insurance that cant really afford to get blood work done out of pocket. As long as blood work is good then id go with it, thats the real determining factor anyway. Time on+pct=time off is just basic, everyone's body is different while some recover much quicker and some much longer. Lucky for me i know i recover much quicker at least from ph cycles.
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Man I am soooo Jealous that your new stuff is not hurting. Even at week 5 mine is still hurting like Hell. I am almost to the point of doing once a week 500mg just to cut down on the pain. I have to lay on the bed in total pain for 10 minutes then for the next 3 days have a sore muscle. You know the deal. glad to hear you got some better stuff.
And yeah my tri, biceps and forearms are always hard and pumped all week. I love it. also lifts are really starting to take off now. This stuff has to be good to deal with all the pain.
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Na bro. Deal with the pain til ur cycle is over and can get better gear for next time. Its only twice a week bro and will make ur lvls a lot more stable than once a week. The arm pumps all day everyday r crazy huh? Cant wait to see how it goes now im bumpin up from 500mg a week to 600mg a week.
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dont sweat your weight.
even at 215 single digit bf, i could sweat down to 185 to wrestle no problem and still function 90%
test e bloat could be fluxuating, water intake, sweat, sodium, sugar- all can mess with your weight. the bottom line is your lift # and what you see in the mirror
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True, true. I do see a difference in the mirror in a great way and my lifts are finally starting to get stronger. U can really tell when ur shirt seems like a medium instead of an xl, thats how they feel now. Especially on the sleeves, my arms, shoulders, chest are swole in my regular tees. Also starting to see more defenition then before in my mid-section which is a huge plus! Ur right, i wont trip on the numbers. I know mentally what i want to look like and im definitely on the right path! Gettin swole while gettin lean, doesnt get much better than this!
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pics n measures mid cycle please
then on start of pct
then post pct
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Thats what i was thinkin, see where im at halfway, then at end, then what i kept. GOnna do pics on week 6 day 1 and if i can remember with measurements. Forgot to do measurements before cycle. Whats the best time to do measurements, upon waking up, after workout? gotta find a tape measure to do measurements too damnit. Used to have a good accu thing but lost it. Ill try to find something.
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I do mine first thing in the morning. pictures and measurements shouldn't take more than 20 min. tops. and it is great to have someone help if you can.
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Did back/calfs/cardio today. HAd another great workout today. All my back lifts where up around 10lbs and felt swole the whole time. My donkey calf raises where also up 20lbs which really impressed me since my calfs r laggin. Still sweatin like a pig in the gym like never before. No big deal. Still no real negeative sides, just sometimes feel a little lethargic or out of breath. Never been like that before. Like if i walk up the stairs at work i breath a little harder than i normally would and same when i do cardio. Right delt shot tomorrow, yeah!
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I don't really know when "the best time" is, but i do mine first thing in the morning. I was told this a long time ago by a friend who is a trainer. How are those injects going? Yea, yea, yea, i know, you love em. Freak!!
Keep up the good work bro.
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Alright, ill take my mid cycle pics when i wake up still with the snot in my eye haha! Well had only 1 inject on monday of the new gear and its great! Totally painless! Gonna shot right delt today around 4pm before i hit the gym for shoulders/abs/cardio. Gonna stick with 1.1ml for the rest of my cycle to get 600mg a week. Still havin zero negative side effects such as acne, mood swings, gyno symptoms, bloat. Having plenty of positive effects though such as increased strength, pump, aggressivness (in the gym), size, good sense of well being all day and everyday, increased libido. List kinda goes on in that department. Just glad my gear is the real deal and im not gettin bad sides.
Still was thinking though maybe in a week or so to throw in .25mg of l-dex eod since im doin 600mg of test E a week just so nothing bad does arrive. Like a prevent anything bad happening before it happens and more drastic measures need to be takin. What do you guys think on this?
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I'd say take your pics when your the fullest. I'd rather been seen like that then at my most depleted time on the day. Kinda like you going into a show haha. Thats just my input.
I'd say thats up to you if you want to run the AI, it may serve as a good idea if you feel as though you are gyno prone. It is a better idea to take preventive measures instead of dealing with it after the fact. However estrogen plays a role in the production of GH/IGF-1 and can increase the concentration of androgen receptors in certain tissues. This is where blood work becomes useful (check estradiol) as estrogen is anabolic and hindering it may affect your gains in the mass department. Look into it a little more before you panic over estrogen and again as most things in bodybuilding it is person dependent.
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Yeah, ill just take em probably after my workout like when i took the first set. No use takin pics first thing in the morning when ur all flat. Guess ill save the l-dex then. I know im not gyno prone cus ive done m1t cycles and such before without pct before i knew any better and never had gyno problems. Had problems getting libido and such back but never had gyno type of problems. But thats prohormones, not 600mg of Test E. Guess ill hold off a bit then before takin the ai.
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Well i was in a super hurry today and was home alone so just decided to shoot my left pec before the gym. Shot went just fine, did 1.1ml with zero pain all day and the next. DIdnt even warm the oil or anything either. Did shoulders only since i was running late for school. HAd a great pump and all lifts where up at least 10-15lbs! DOin great with a great workout!
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Week 5 Day 5
Still not injection pain at all. A little discomfort when i fully stretch but no real pain or anything to really complain about. Still a world of a difference better than my first ugl on this cycle. Did legs today only since i was again in a big hurry, slept in. Pre-exhausted my legs again with 8 sets of leg extensions and leg curls (4 sets each). Went up about 10lbs on the leg extensions. Then hit up squats doin the same weight and reps i did last time which is good for me since i pre-exhausted my legs first and with more weight. Overall, had a strong and intense workout. So happy this stuff is finally kicking in! Cant wait to see in a week or so how it kicks when the 600mg a week kicks in! Still a solid 6 weeks to go and the last 4 weeks gonna throw in some halodrol-50 to help give me solid lean gains all the way up to pct. I love it!
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Week 5 Day 7
Ahh, off day. Gotta love em. Im actually abe to get shit done today and not have to rush. Anyways, didn't post yesterday but had a great arm day as usual. All my lifts where up at least 10-15lbs which was great. Hammer curled the 60lbs dumbells for the first time for 10 strict reps! Lovin it!
Noticed today my left nip felt a little sore when i put pressure on it. My right is just fine, only my left which is fuc*in up. I started .5mg of l-dex today and will continue for the next few days til this problem goes away. Also noticed a small pea size hard lump on the top of my left nip. When i press on this lump is when i feel sore in that area. Sucks but it happens. After the problem goes away i plan on sticking with the l-dex at .25mg ed until the end of my cycle just to keep things in check. Since im at 600mg a week now i think ima need it anyways. My gains have been solid, haven't weighed myself lately but fu*k the scale, always lies! Haha! Feel solid all over and can tell ive lost some fat in my mid-section.
Tomorrow is another beautiful injection day, can't wait! This time i think ima shot my right quad cus g/f wont be home and dont want to try delt again with only 1 hand, kinda sketchy last time. Will try to take some pics tomorrow night after work which will be the week 6 day 1 spot. Cant take em before that cus i need someone to take em.
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Give us some pics bro. I'll post some as well so i don't sound like an asshole.
You're left nip hurts? And not your right? It'll usually hit you at the same time, but that's just me.
Shoot that quad bro...You be ok.
Wish you was around Tampa or St. Pete....Like to workout with you.
Keep up the good work bro.
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Yeah post up those pics soon, glad to hear about it kicking in. You should throw up some workout stats like in my log because today it served its purpose so I could see where I have been leveling off lately so I decided to end early. I know I know, sad day on the log. Good work
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Bro, if i was in Tampa i wouldnt be hittin the gym. Id be hittin all the hot ass down there! My bros have been there and told me so many good stories. I dont think id come back here to southern california.
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Yeah, ima have my gurl take em tonite when i get off work. After i photoshop them to look like frank zane ill post em up, haha. Detailed log huh? Well i can keep track for myself in my head but the internet browser i ue on my phone doesnt let me break it down so the numbers would be everywhere.
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Ahh yes, gains finally kickin in and only half way through, i love it! Took stpete's advice and shot my tricep today. First tried my right tricep but after aspirating got 3 big blood bubbles. Took pin out, swabbed and rubbed area, switched to a new 23g 1" pin, swabbed left tricep and ending up shooting there with no problems. Your right bro, tris are easy as hell to shoot with 1 hand! Didnt move the pin at all. It the gym for chest/abs/cardio. Was happy cus i did 70lb dumbell flys on flat bench for a strict 8 reps! Never thought id be doin weight like that but did it with ease! All my benching lifts where the same as last week which is still good since i pre-exahusted my pecs with flat and incline flys before pressing and went to 70lb flys on flat and 60lb flys on incline. HAd a great workout i felt but kinda lagged on my incline since i was so dead from doin flat first. DId 2 plates and a 25 on each side for 2 sets of 3 reps after doin 4 sets of flys, 2 warmup sets of bench, then 1 working set of beech before that.
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Week 6 Day 1 PICS!!!
Here ya go, geez! Sorry for the horrible pics, my g/f doesnt understand how to take them. She busts up laughing everytime i ask her saying i look so gay posing like this and taking these kind of pics. She just doesnt understand and makes me laugh while takin them so i cant really take them seriously thanks to her. These should give you guys an idea anyways. From what you cant see is all over im much more fuller and a little more define. These ab pics arent the best but in person can clearly see my oblique and serretus muscles and a 6 pack. My upper 2 pack is a little more define and ive noticed the layer of fat once there is slowly going away. Anyways, here you guys go, let me know what you think. Oh, can also see now a vein poppin out my upper right pec connecting to my trap, kinda cool! Of course details like that cant be seen with this shitty pics, oh well.
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Yeah you swelled up quite a bit since the first pics thats for sure. Good job bro. I'd finish gaining the mass for a little while longer and then focus on getting ripped/detailed with the right exercise motions and a solid diet but you have plenty of time for all that. Good luck on the rest of the cycle, I think I will be taking a break from here for a minute but definitely be checking you log and making the comments from time to time.
Oh and tell stpete to get that log up all ready. I thought it was suppose to be up by now. lol. I'll be waiting for that one has well and making comments
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looking good bro. you look a little sweaty in the first back pic,did you say your girlfriend was there for the pics....? haha j/k. congrats.
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I'm no expert but I'd be a little concerned about that left nip, in the pics its looking a little gyno-y. Maybe you ought to start into that letro.
The vein popping out over pec/trap - if its the one I'm seeing I think that's your external jugular, which tends to pop out whenever there is increased intrathoracic pressure, like when your holding your breath and straining (other things can do it too).
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Thats the plan. This cycle is kinda experimental since its my first and wanted to see how i respond to aas. Seem pretty fu*king good! Overall i plan on this being a clean bulk (never was into crazy type of bulking), then another clean bulk with the help of prop/npp, then a cutter of prop/tren/mast. Its always been kinda easy for me to cut but really hard to gain muscle past this point. Tryin to get a little bigger than i want then when i cut ill lose some of that size but be ripped where i want to be.
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Haha, u noticed that? Na, it was hot as hell in that bedroom and i was sweatin! That was the first pic we took, then i turned the fans on.
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Ive had puffy nips since i was like 8yrs old, sucks! No gyno, just puffy at times and when theyre sensitive (cold etc) then they get small and look normal as they should, kinda weird. Ima try C.Bino's gyno reversal method after my pct and see if that does anything. If not then looks like im savin up for surgery one day cus this sh*t bugs me. I know the vein ur talkin bout. The vein on talkin bout is actually on my pec muscle, not that neck vein. Crazy cus ive never seen vascularity there before so im happy.
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lookin good bro, i cant wait to see how you look in the after pictures.
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Hey im just wondering on sides..im doing same cycle..just started...have your balls shrinked at all..what about acne?
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whats your bf percentage here do you know? looking good though, im about to start the first cycle but with a frontload, which was better for the test-e? 500mgs or 600 mgs
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Nope shrinkage here i can see. I think thats just with the 19-nors that make ur balls shrink like deca, tren, etc. No acne either. Ive never really had a problem with pimples before. I have noticed lately though a few random zits popping up in random spots. Like yesterday i had 2 small pimples on my upper abs, kinda weird. But no, no real problem with acne at all. Just started 600mg so after about another week or so is when i think it will all really kick in.
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