EQ with first cycle

[vishus]

quick ?, should i stack EQ with test e with first cycle? heres a look:


Test E- wk 1-12 500mg (inj 2x week)
EQ- wk 1-10 (inj 2x week)
Dbol- wk1-3 (30mg day)


Is that a pretty harsh first cycle? Im really just looking to keep the WATER off, or at least to not look so bloated and soft while on cycle. any thoughts?

[daem]

1st - You really will be able to achieve your goals with test only.
2nd - EQ won't keep the water off.
3rd - Where are your PCT drugs?

All these things are important to think about.

[vishus]

i do have a pct, i just didnt post it. my bad. i have clomid, and tamoxifen of course. should i run L-dex during cycle at .25 EOD? would that help keep some of the water off?

[Bigmax]

yes it will help keeping water off...its always suggestesd to do test only on the first cycle but not the law...Eq is a great compound and will give you slow solid gains.

[Flex-Appeal]

yes it will help keeping water off...its always suggestesd to do test only on the first cycle but not the law...Eq is a great compound and will give you slow solid gains.

SLOW is the key word here...must be taken over a long period of time (long cycles) for optimum results

[JiGGaMaN]

I have mixed feeling about running EQ for 10 weeks.

[daem]

Personally I've experimented with it from 12-18 weeks and it just didn't live up to the fame even on the upper bound of that range.

I'm much happier running nandrolone these days and I actually feel the benefit.

I wish EQ was effective for me!

I think the important thing to keep in mind is that this is his first cycle and he should use test first before adding in other drugs.

[Discipline_1]

Personally I've experimented with it from 12-18 weeks and it just didn't live up to the fame even on the upper bound of that range.

I'm much happier running nandrolone these days and I actually feel the benefit.

same here... i ran eq at 16 weeks previously and wasnt impressed, results with deca were a lot better

but for a first or second cycle, i think eq is a good choice, so i think that is a pretty decent first cycle for you imho

[anabolictonic]

id go test only for first cycle... all u need

[fit4ever180]

test e only is working great for me!

[vishus]

ok, i know EQ is more of a precontest drug, but i also heard it keeps you dry and as Discipline 1 said, its a less harsh drug and could be used in a first cycle. so how about this, i have test e planned for the first cycle, would it be advisble to throw in EQ on my SECOND cycle?

[Reed]

yes that would be fine. Its good at building lean quality muscle (though at a slow pace) and increasing that appetite.

[vishus]

yes that would be fine. Its good at building lean quality muscle (though at a slow pace) and increasing that appetite.

so say i use it in my second cycle (with test again) how long would i have to cycle it to get SOME good gains from it? and would i need to stop it two weeks prior to stopping the test?

[Reed]

so say i use it in my second cycle (with test again) how long would i have to cycle it to get SOME good gains from it? and would i need to stop it two weeks prior to stopping the test?

I'd recommend to run it for at least 12 weeks. But go with 14 due to the fact it is a long ester and take a while to "kick" in. You could end it one or two weeks before you stop the test, eq is not as strong as deca and its better to get that way out of your system before completion of your cycle (deca)

My suggestion:

1-14: Eq 400-600mg
1-15: Test 400-600mg

Then of course PCT

[Dukkit]

i say forget the EQ. its not really worth it.

Test and D-bol all the way

[Reed]

^^^^ yeah or the test/deca/dbol would be a excellent second cycle

[vishus]

I'd recommend to run it for at least 12 weeks. But go with 14 due to the fact it is a long ester and take a while to "kick" in. You could end it one or two weeks before you stop the test, eq is not as strong as deca and its better to get that way out of your system before completion of your cycle (deca)

My suggestion:

1-14: Eq 400-600mg
1-15: Test 400-600mg

Then of course PCT

thanks for the advice, i have my PCT already lined up too. 15 weeks seems a while for a second cycle, would i need a longer PCT if i go 15 wks ?

[Dukkit]

in my opinion EQ is only worth while if your an endurance athlete or the sort.

if your worried about keeping bloat off... watch your sodium, drink plenty of water. (just water) and get some arimidex.

but ive found that d-bol bloats me more then any test does

[Dukkit]

thanks for the advice, i have my PCT already lined up too. 15 weeks seems a while for a second cycle, would i need a longer PCT if i go 15 wks ?

4-6 weeks is a good average PCT length

[vishus]

4-6 weeks is a good average PCT length

after the 4-6 weeks would i be able to start back up then? or would i need to take 2-4 weeks TOTALLY off before starting?>

[Dukkit]

after the 4-6 weeks would i be able to start back up then? or would i need to take 2-4 weeks TOTALLY off before starting?>

oh no no. Time off should equal your time on plus PCT time.

so if you do 14 week cycle. plus 6 week PCT. then you need to take 20 weeks off before another cycle bro

[Reed]

You should wait the length of cycle plus the PCT till start again. So at least 3 months IMO. Blood work is the best way to determine this but 2-4 weeks is way to soon to start again

[Dukkit]

You should wait the length of cycle plus the PCT till start again. So at least 3 months IMO. Blood work is the best way to determine this but 2-4 weeks is way to soon to start again

beat ya to it sukka!!

[vishus]

oh no no. Time off should equal your time on plus PCT time.

so if you do 14 week cycle. plus 6 week PCT. then you need to take 20 weeks off before another cycle bro

ok, will do. i dont know if EQ is the answer then if i have to take 20 weeks off haha i would rather do 12 wk cycle + 4wk PCT and get back on gear a month earlier

[Reed]

How old are you buddy and what are your goals??

[vishus]

How old are you buddy and what are your goals??

im 19 and joined the site to gain info and advice on cycling, im not going to cycle until im about 23 or 24. i already have done numerous research projects on AAS and know many guys with insight to cycles, gear and PCT's etc.... im 230lb, 5'11", roughtly 9-10% bf, and im just looking to get as big as i can before cycling and when i do cycle i just want tt be extrememly big, the kind of person people stare at

[Reed]

Your 5'11'' 230lbs at 9-10% bf!?! well your bigger than most especially at 19. You should post some pics thats some really impressive stats IMO. How are you not already thinking your big, I can't see how you haven't hit your natural abilities at those stats. Post pics

[vishus]

how do i post pics?

[Reed]

Go to post reply and look down to manage attachments and get them from off your computer.

[vishus]

ok will do, i dont have any recently but i do from my last competion

[Dukkit]

damn. hes a beast at those stats already. with no gear on top of that?

*sits in the corner and cries*

[Reed]

Ok hit them up, I don't know any kid that size thats natural. Your only 19 bro and the only ones I have seen at that height/weight that are natural are football players but their bf% is much higher.

[WARMachine]

Reed sounds like hes jealous...

[Dukkit]

Reed sounds like hes jealous...

(he is) dont tell anyone.

[Reed]

I am, those are my stats. I'm curious, I thought I was a freak but this, this will b something totally crazy. You will be the world's youngest freak

[WARMachine]

Well at least i know im the bigger man laying down...


Sorry Reed-y buddy...

[Reed]

We shall see.....

[Flex-Appeal]

I need to see it to believe it...

[vishus]

gimme a sec i just took some pics im gonna load then post

[Dukkit]

oh im excited. the wait is killing me

*sits back with my tub of popcorn covered in animal lard*