Can certain practices/traditions of religion..

[rockinred]

First off, you won't win an argument with a teacher... not because you don't have a valid point, but because they will stand firm and they give the grades...

Anyhow, the only anlge you can use to justify your statement is the terms and meaning of the words... you will probably need to draw a correlation between the terminology of suicide, sacrifice, killed, etc... This would need to be done through the definition of the meaning of the various terms used to describe death...

That is the angle that I would use. I would go on to say that the meaning of the word is the same in the end no matter how you dice it based on the fact that you die....take out the cause or justification for the ending result. in other words, religious actions have various motives that all have different reasons.... i.e. a person of a christian/jewish origin, have faith in something (believing in something not seen), and a hope in something (belief in the unknown). Those are the meaning of those words... but those things that are based on faith and hope are unkown and that is why you have those words...

what is a fact is that you die... so if a person was to define sacrifice by death different than suicide, you have to point out that based on the factual evidence of death and no other known facts beyond that, they are actually the same. many other religions, such as hinduism, etc.. believe in an after life as their premise for actions... which in the end result in the same regardless of terminology...

I am not trying to simplify the differences... the term means what it means... you don't call the kamakazees(spelling), or a person going into a battle zone a suicidal person... because they have a reason and cause for it... the same with terrorists, they have their motives, so you don't call all these people suicidal... no different than a man who throws his body on a grenade to save a team... is that suicide, or heroism, or sacrifice... maybe all of it..? boils down to terms and beliefs.

the fact is the term describes different meanings, so if you can say the differences, and maybe draw that the ending result is the same so that is why you say it is the same....

does that help or confuse??? lol.

[Bojangles69]

First off, you won't win an argument with a teacher... not because you don't have a valid point, but because they will stand firm and they give the grades...

Anyhow, the only anlge you can use to justify your statement is the terms and meaning of the words... you will probably need to draw a correlation between the terminology of suicide, sacrifice, killed, etc... This would need to be done through the definition of the meaning of the various terms used to describe death...

That is the angle that I would use. I would go on to say that the meaning of the word is the same in the end no matter how you dice it based on the fact that you die....take out the cause or justification for the ending result. in other words, religious actions have various motives that all have different reasons.... i.e. a person of a christian/jewish origin, have faith in something (believing in something not seen), and a hope in something (belief in the unknown). Those are the meaning of those words... but those things that are based on faith and hope are unkown and that is why you have those words...

what is a fact is that you die... so if a person was to define sacrifice by death different than suicide, you have to point out that based on the factual evidence of death and no other known facts beyond that, they are actually the same. many other religions, such as hinduism, etc.. believe in an after life as their premise for actions... which in the end result in the same regardless of terminology...

I am not trying to simplify the differences... the term means what it means... you don't call the kamakazees(spelling), or a person going into a battle zone a suicidal person... because they have a reason and cause for it... the same with terrorists, they have their motives, so you don't call all these people suicidal... no different than a man who throws his body on a grenade to save a team... is that suicide, or heroism, or sacrifice... maybe all of it..? boils down to terms and beliefs.

the fact is the term describes different meanings, so if you can say the differences, and maybe draw that the ending result is the same so that is why you say it is the same....

does that help or confuse??? lol.

Thats excellent, really. Because thats exactly what we're covering in my critical discourse class, which is how many arguements/debates actually have no logical premise or factual base to them at all.
I like that idea of removing all the subjective bullshit (interpretation of passages) and doing like a point A to point B explanation.

Person reads bible/koran
Person is religous
Person dies from self inflicted injury.
Self inflicted injury that causes death is by definition = to suicide.

Just keeping it FACTUAL. That way I can also block out all the people who need to throw in their own philsophies because the grounds of my arguement will be nothing but facts.
I like the direction a lot, thanks.