has anyone ever lost bf on cycle?

[daem]

your diet posted is actually PERFECT!If you stick to this youll lose a pound per week and gain mass due to juice and if you want to get to 4% u have 2 choices run diet and cycle longer to get that low or have a deficit of 600-700 cals per day right now your at 500 per day to do this cut the fat intake down instead of other macros(carbs,pro).BTW it take a deficite of 3500 cals to lose 1 lb of body weight meaning fat or muscle depending on how you do it.If you fast you lose muscle which is why a max of 500 per day is recomemded for natural cutters but the max for juicing is 1000 but the max i reccomend is 700.So the tuna and what ever is not able to be added.

What the hell are you talking about?

The original poster's diet will NOT get him to 4% bodyfat.

Rugger's revised diet is much better for a cutting goal while retaining mass. It's unlikely he will be able to drastically change his body composition in both ends of the spectrum.

He should be able to cut very well on Rugger's diet without losing mass, and that's most important here.

[daniel_3855]

thanks guys for the help.

my oats i eat are quaker oats, are they any good as they seem to have a lot of fat. ? http://www.quaker.co.uk/ProdQuakerOats.aspx

so can anyone tell me how much of pro/carb/fat i need per day. ie 200/80/50. so i need carbs for nearly every meal like ruggers.

then i can work on it and get shoping. will head for ruggers diet thanks again

[fit4ever180]

what the hell are you talking about?

The original poster's diet will not get him to 4% bodyfat.

Rugger's revised diet is much better for a cutting goal while retaining mass. It's unlikely he will be able to drastically change his body composition in both ends of the spectrum.

He should be able to cut very well on rugger's diet without losing mass, and that's most important here.

^^^^agreed!!!