Milk Thistle and B12

[lovbyts]

Dude, really dont do a cycle yet. I am the same height as you and was at 205 1 yr ago. You are WAY to heavy for a cycle yet. I got down to 175 before my first and I honesty was not really ready for it.

If your diet is not 99% on target (your 205 it's NOT) then you are throwing your money away. My diet was pretty good and I was 30bls less than you but my gains would have been a lot better if I had waited another 6 months and my diet was a little better.

Also, I have very good genetics and I carried my 205 very good compared to most people. Look at my 1st cycle post (history search) and you can see before and after pictures.

Really, dont waste your money yet, get the diet on track, read a lot and get your weight down to at least 175 or less before starting.

[steptoe]

Dude, really dont do a cycle yet. I am the same height as you and was at 205 1 yr ago. You are WAY to heavy for a cycle yet. I got down to 175 before my first and I honesty was not really ready for it.

If your diet is not 99% on target (your 205 it's NOT) then you are throwing your money away. My diet was pretty good and I was 30bls less than you but my gains would have been a lot better if I had waited another 6 months and my diet was a little better.

Also, I have very good genetics and I carried my 205 very good compared to most people. Look at my 1st cycle post (history search) and you can see before and after pictures.

Really, dont waste your money yet, get the diet on track, read a lot and get your weight down to at least 175 or less before starting.

I appreciate your feedback, thing is I am 4 weeks into the cycle. Not really worried about the money, but definitely don't want to hurt myself or waste the time I put into this. As far as my build and look, 205 on me looks very natural, and I am already pretty cut and definitely muscular. Judging me just by my height really doesn't do justice, I am a wide bodied guy, if that makes sense. Also, I've been training forever. As far as my diet, it is definitely in check, and has been for quite some time, and I have been doing cardio long before I started this cycle. So far I am very happy with the gains I have made, I'm sure if I got down to 180-190 it would be better, but what's done is done.

[lovbyts]

I appreciate your feedback, thing is I am 4 weeks into the cycle. Not really worried about the money, but definitely don't want to hurt myself or waste the time I put into this. As far as my build and look, 205 on me looks very natural, and I am already pretty cut and definitely muscular. Judging me just by my height really doesn't do justice, I am a wide bodied guy, if that makes sense. Also, I've been training forever. As far as my diet, it is definitely in check, and has been for quite some time, and I have been doing cardio long before I started this cycle. So far I am very happy with the gains I have made, I'm sure if I got down to 180-190 it would be better, but what's done is done.

OK I understand what you are saying but Ill bet you will look back in 4 months and say Wow, I was a lard ass. LOL I now I did. I felt the same way, got the diet in check more or less, always felt like I carried my weight VERY well, everyone though I was around 180 but after loosing the weight it was a HUGE change.
Good luck with your cycle, but I bet your 2nd one is much better.

[steptoe]

OK I understand what you are saying but Ill bet you will look back in 4 months and say Wow, I was a lard ass. LOL I now I did. I felt the same way, got the diet in check more or less, always felt like I carried my weight VERY well, everyone though I was around 180 but after loosing the weight it was a HUGE change.
Good luck with your cycle, but I bet your 2nd one is much better.

Thanks my friend, I completely understand what you are saying. I definitely could be lighter with less body fat, there is no question about that. I guess you could say I was eager to start and didn't want to wait the extra amount of time it would take to get the BF down. Hopefully this doesn't sound incredibly stupid, but part of the reason for starting the Tren other than wanting to see even more muscular growth, was to burn off some more BF.

One thing I didn't mention was I was at 195 on 9/15/08 when I started this cycle, but I'm sure the majority of the weight I have put on is because of the extra food intake.