MSNBC Keith Olbermann on Prop 8, Marriage

[Flagg]

Comparing a marriage between a same sex couple and a human with an animal is utterly absurd.

For a start, the same sex couple will be two consenting adults. Animals cannot speak, ergo cannot consent to anything. If you want to push this topic further, beastiality could be considered a form of rape, seeing as the animal in question has not consented to anything because it cannot talk, yet beastiality is actually legal in some parts of the world. So does that mean that certain states or governments is condoning rape for some but not for others?

On the other hand, I, like a lot of people could care less if people of the same sex want to get married and have a certificate or not, but just why is it so important to gay people? I mean, do gay people consider themselves part of a community? If so, it doesn't sound like a way of being accepted by society.

[Amorphic]

Comparing a marriage between a same sex couple and a human with an animal is utterly absurd.

For a start, the same sex couple will be two consenting adults. Animals cannot speak, ergo cannot consent to anything. If you want to push this topic further, beastiality could be considered a form of rape, seeing as the animal in question has not consented to anything because it cannot talk, yet beastiality is actually legal in some parts of the world. So does that mean that certain states or governments is condoning rape for some but not for others?

On the other hand, I, like a lot of people could care less if people of the same sex want to get married and have a certificate or not, but just why is it so important to gay people? I mean, do gay people consider themselves part of a community? If so, it doesn't sound like a way of being accepted by society.

i think more than anything its just for the legal benefits of being in a marriage. obviously its symbolic that gay people would also want the same rights to marriage as a straight person. personally i have no idea why people get so uptight about the business of others. if they love eachother and want to get married, all the more power to them. considering half of all marriages fail anyways i dont think the whole christian right ideology that marriage is a sacred thing means much anymore

[Flagg]

i think more than anything its just for the legal benefits of being in a marriage. obviously its symbolic that gay people would also want the same rights to marriage as a straight person. personally i have no idea why people get so uptight about the business of others. if they love eachother and want to get married, all the more power to them. considering half of all marriages fail anyways i dont think the whole christian right ideology that marriage is a sacred thing means much anymore

I agree, but I wish religion could stay out of this. Forgive me if I am wrong, but wasn't marriage established long before any organised religion was? I can't stand the fact that Christianity tries to "own marriage" like its a monopoly that belongs to christianity.
So what you're saying is, it comes down to tradition. Gay people wanting the same traditional values as everyone else? I just don't see how marriage is that more of a deal than a civil union, but hey thats just me. Im not trynna argue against it, but I just want people to be able to see two sides of an argument rather than blundering in with their own narrow minded opinions with no real contributions.

[Amorphic]

I agree, but I wish religion could stay out of this. Forgive me if I am wrong, but wasn't marriage established long before any organised religion was? I can't stand the fact that Christianity tries to "own marriage" like its a monopoly that belongs to christianity.
So what you're saying is, it comes down to tradition. Gay people wanting the same traditional values as everyone else? I just don't see how marriage is that more of a deal than a civil union, but hey thats just me. Im not trynna argue against it, but I just want people to be able to see two sides of an argument rather than blundering in with their own narrow minded opinions with no real contributions.

trust me, im against the religious aspect of it as well

[JDawg1536]

I agree, but I wish religion could stay out of this. Forgive me if I am wrong, but wasn't marriage established long before any organised religion was? I can't stand the fact that Christianity tries to "own marriage" like its a monopoly that belongs to christianity.
So what you're saying is, it comes down to tradition. Gay people wanting the same traditional values as everyone else? I just don't see how marriage is that more of a deal than a civil union, but hey thats just me. Im not trynna argue against it, but I just want people to be able to see two sides of an argument rather than blundering in with their own narrow minded opinions with no real contributions.

Well, I just plain can't stand christianity. I see both sides of the argument, however a civil union is not the same as a marriage. A civil union does not give them the same benefits, such as medical decisions, immigration and residency rights, inheritance in the absence of a will, medicare, joint tax filing, tax credits, etc..... Denying someone the same rights because of something they did not choose is wrong. Just my opinion though.

[Flagg]

Well, I just plain can't stand christianity. I see both sides of the argument, however a civil union is not the same as a marriage. A civil union does not give them the same benefits, such as medical decisions, immigration and residency rights, inheritance in the absence of a will, medicare, joint tax filing, tax credits, etc..... Denying someone the same rights because of something they did not choose is wrong. Just my opinion though.

Ahh I see, so say a gay person from the USA was seeing another gay person from Germany and they both wanted to live in the USA, a Civil Union would not grant the German citizenship?