My first cycle was 10 years ago. I do not say this is a perfect cycle. But i did take 400mg Deca and 250mg Viron a week. I wa sup 15kg's in 6 weeks. Alot water though but i gained good size and strength. I do not want to burn bridges on this forum. So i backing out now. 500mg test for the first cycle is unnesasery 100%