Okay, thanks G, an answer. So say i decided to go with winny at say 20? Will that have no effect at all? Is there a minimum dosage when it startes to work? I assume its a ramp up. 50 mg is way more that i want to take so if a low dose doesn't work at all, then i just won't do it but i find it difficult to believe that 10, 15, 20 does nothing in the way of anti catabolism.