Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
Ok so first i'll say this is all just my opinion and theory on why lower bodyfat % (under 10-11%) makes sense prior to cycling. First of all all little personal info (all avail in my profile - abridged version here) Im currently coming off a 7 moth layoff from training and 8 moth layoff from cycling due to a severe car accident. I let myself get very out of shape for 2 reasons 1- i was pyhsically unable to workout at all due to accident. 2- Lost all self discipline as far as diet. Now I have used steroids for 15 yeas - i would say last 12-13 pretty effectively and with a fair knowledge ...but always continueing to learn. So here i am ... 16 % bodyfat (ugh) and just getting back into training. My approach : 1- Got diet on track / 2- training on track / 3- get in as good a condition as possible WITHOUT aas as far as bodyfat / strength etc / 4- then i'll do my next cycle. Now this could take months - maybe up to a year i dunno. Point is Even after years of aas use i think this is the smart effective way to go. Just my opinion ..not fact. NOW my theories on why bf% should be below 11% -

1- If you want to truly maximize aas effect there is a level of self discipline required - to establish that you should be able to at least get diet and training to a respectable level along with physical condition.

2- By approaching cycle being in somewhat good condition / with diet in line / you will be physicially able to perform effective, high intensity workouts. Obvious benfits.

3- Estrogenic sides amplified with higher bodyfat %. And no an AI will not totally offset this.

4- High body fat with 19 nors (this is more my own theory - just opinion folks)
I feel this combo is extremely prone to sides. With the ability of 19 nors to produce progesterone related sides ..and estrogen being required to do this. I feel the higher estrogen level associated with higher bf% combined with the progesterone from 19 nors is asking for potentially severe sides from 2 different angles Estrogen as well as much more severe progesterone related sides due to elevated estro levels.

5- This is an add on that I was reminded of by a post from legobricks - so thanks bro. Blood pressure. Many aas will result in an increase in blood pressure ..this would be greatly amplified with a high bf% and could , obviously, be very dangerous. Might well be the #1 general health risk reason not to cycle at higher bf%. T

Now again - im not trying to be Joe Juice Guru. These are just my opinions - I see it coming up alot. This is my approach. If its not for you thats cool ...if it is i hope it helped. - Seamus
I totally agree bro. I was in a bad accident also about a year and a half ago. been cycling effectively for 3 years. my body fat no joke, shot up 27% while i was layed up. Since given the ok from the doc about ooh 6 months ago i have managed to get down to 21% ...it's coming along and alll but here is the kicker... i just got put on TRT. Currently on Androderm 5mg patchs, Yes i know they are junk but next week iam going to injections. what I am wondering is how is this all going work with consideration of how friggen fat i am? I mean the Doc will probably put me on 200 mgs per week for the TRT. I know that isn' true cycle strength but still we are talking enough to see some benefits but i wasnt obviously planning on truly cycling til i was back down to what o consider the best time to do it. Now I am being thrust into a situation where i need to take the test and iam in no way in shape enough to be doing so. i am sure it will all work out. i plan to hit the cardio harder than i have been. thinking like Hour a day 5 days a week.... i just dont want any adverse effects to arise because iam out of shape. i really dont envision any such thing to occur but what is you guys take on it?