yo calling all chemistry people....help with this problem which i am sure is easy and

[thegodfather]

Thank you for posting this, causing me to have flashbacks of my chemistry induced Post Traumatic Stress Disorder....I'm gonna go pop a few zoloft now.....dickhead...

[IronReload04]

Thank you for posting this, causing me to have flashbacks of my chemistry induced Post Traumatic Stress Disorder....I'm gonna go pop a few zoloft now.....dickhead...

lol dude. I hear ya. This is the freshman chem series that you take if you are pre-med or pre professional anything.



I got buried my freshman year. this class actually made me quit and I swear i had never felt so defeated in my life. my book was all torn apart from being thrown at the wall repeatedly. but i went back to it after quitting and I am just going back retaking classes I did shitty in now. I am acing em this time around. BUt i am not going to lie. I am an upper classman and these classes take a tremendous amount of preperation, they are tedious and challenging, but A's are possible with the right kind of time and commitment put in.

[thegodfather]

lol dude. I hear ya. This is the freshman chem series that you take if you are pre-med or pre professional anything.



I got buried my freshman year. this class actually made me quit and I swear i had never felt so defeated in my life. my book was all torn apart from being thrown at the wall repeatedly. but i went back to it after quitting and I am just going back retaking classes I did shitty in now. I am acing em this time around. BUt i am not going to lie. I am an upper classman and these classes take a tremendous amount of preperation, they are tedious and challenging, but A's are possible with the right kind of time and commitment put in.

Im applying to medical school, I feel your pain...

[IronReload04]

Im applying to medical school, I feel your pain...

for sure. medical field is where its at.

[thegodfather]

for sure. medical field is where its at.

To be honest, the medical field might be where its at, but being a physician is certainly not. If I could go back to freshmen year and do everything over again I would have majored in nursing and then went the CRNA route. It's excellent pay $150,000-$200,000, with a quarter of the liability, half the debt, half the amount of schooling, and no 4-7 year residency where you are paid like a migrant worker and basically a slave.

Those are the cold hard facts. There are so many obstacles to becoming a physician, that if you want a good quality of life with a much smaller personal investment there are better options. Of course it is too late now since Im graduating 14 weeks from now, and I know I'll be happy with what Im doing. I just know that there existed a better option to having a good life and securing a 6 figure income.

[BuffedGuy]

To be honest, the medical field might be where its at, but being a physician is certainly not. If I could go back to freshmen year and do everything over again I would have majored in nursing and then went the CRNA route. It's excellent pay $150,000-$200,000, with a quarter of the liability, half the debt, half the amount of schooling, and no 4-7 year residency where you are paid like a migrant worker and basically a slave.

It takes at least eight years to become a CRNA: four years of nursing school, two years experience as an RN, and then two years masters in nurse anesthesia. Starting salary is about $110,000/yr. With 10-20 years of experience, average salary is $130,000/yr. After 20+ years, it is $140,000. (source; http://www.payscale.com/research/US/..._(CRNA)/Salary )

I think that you might make a comparison between CRNA's and primary care physicians. But with medicine, it really depends on what field you pursue. The anesthesiologist that a CRNA works under, for example, earns on average $350,000. Do the right fellowship and that number goes up. But yeah, the more years you put in for residency/fellowship, the higher it goes; a trade-off.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I am just saying it is a debatable issue.

[IronReload04]

To be honest, the medical field might be where its at, but being a physician is certainly not. If I could go back to freshmen year and do everything over again I would have majored in nursing and then went the CRNA route. It's excellent pay $150,000-$200,000, with a quarter of the liability, half the debt, half the amount of schooling, and no 4-7 year residency where you are paid like a migrant worker and basically a slave.

Those are the cold hard facts. There are so many obstacles to becoming a physician, that if you want a good quality of life with a much smaller personal investment there are better options. Of course it is too late now since Im graduating 14 weeks from now, and I know I'll be happy with what Im doing. I just know that there existed a better option to having a good life and securing a 6 figure income.

yeah....good stuff there. THat is actually something I have seriously been considering. nursing for a couple years and going back to grad school for something more. i got some options for hte time being

[MuscleScience]

To be honest, the medical field might be where its at, but being a physician is certainly not. If I could go back to freshmen year and do everything over again I would have majored in nursing and then went the CRNA route. It's excellent pay $150,000-$200,000, with a quarter of the liability, half the debt, half the amount of schooling, and no 4-7 year residency where you are paid like a migrant worker and basically a slave.

Those are the cold hard facts. There are so many obstacles to becoming a physician, that if you want a good quality of life with a much smaller personal investment there are better options. Of course it is too late now since Im graduating 14 weeks from now, and I know I'll be happy with what Im doing. I just know that there existed a better option to having a good life and securing a 6 figure income.

Every MD I talked to told me it wasnt worth it, So I didnt do it.

[BuffedGuy]

Every MD I talked to told me it wasnt worth it, So I didnt do it.

Yeah, but a lot of them would do it all over again, if really given the chance. Having said that, dentistry is probably a better route. My dentist cousin in his twenties is driving around in a corvette. I would seriously have considered dentistry if I had to do it all over again, although I don't know for sure which I would've picked. Would need to soul search for that.

[thegodfather]

Every MD I talked to told me it wasnt worth it, So I didnt do it.

Yea, I'm friends with several and they have said the same thing, but I'm still doing it. The important thing to remember about nursing is that the schooling costs much less than a medical education. In addition during the 2 years working in critical care, a nurse with overtime can earn around $80,000/year, allowin the person to pay down any student loan debt that they have before going back for their 2 year masters program for CRNA.

A student who majors in anything aside from nursing to go onto medical school cannot get a job paying anywhere near that. They will have 4 years of undergrad debt, on top of 4 years of medical school debt. They will go onto a residency program where they will make between $12-$14 dollars an hour, and they will have to deferr their loans while doing so, meaning that their interest on the loans will be compounding each month. The very shortest residency+fellowship programs is 4 years. If we are talking about Anesthesiology it is a 2 year residency followed by a 2 year fellowship.

Additionally, if you get your RN from a school without getting your bachelors (you can do this in 3 years time), you can then earn your bachelors online in 9 months, and you are able to work during that time.

Lets look at the testing process...

From undergrad, a future med student needs to take the MCAT, possibly one of the hardest tests a person will take. After the long and expensive interview process they get an acceptance. Once in med school they will need to take the USMLE Step 1, which will be the determining metric in what choices they will have as far as residency. Before graduating they will take USMLE Step 2, and Step 3. None of those tests are cake walks. They do their residency and fellowships, and then they are ELIGIBLE to sit for the boards in that specific specialty.

From undergrad, a person pursuing nursing will take the NET test, a non-specific test that just measures a person ability in various areas but not science related. They will rely on their GPA and a less strenuous interview process. From there the only big test they will take will be the state boards (NCLEX). After that they can get hired and start making $60,000/yr working 3 - 12 hour shifts per week and with almost no liability for malpractice. 2 years working in critical care as a nurse paying down student loans, then onto a 2 year masters course for CRNA, at the max another $40,000 in debt..Thats less than it costs for ONE YEAR of medical school. The student graduates CRNA and even if they start at $110,000 a year, they do no residency, and they are financially well ahead of the game, and they work 40-60 hours per week.

If you compare the relative number of hours that high paying specialties pull in to how many hours they are actually working at the hospital or on call at home, they make much less than the numbers seem to indicate. I'm not arguing that doctors dont live well, they certainly do, but they are not nearly as well off as many think. If you are in ANY surgical specialty you will most likely never in your career work less than 80 hours per week, thats a fact.